There are a finite number of bloodthirsty liberals for me to block, it can be done in time
Note to anyone reading this: I don't mean you if you engage in good faith and with genuine intellectual curiosity, you're fine, this isn't me saying "I block people who disagree with me", because It would just be me in a corner with my ice pick in that case
literally 95% of my interactions with other instances' liberals have been them saying something absurdly reactionary and not expecting to receive any pushback for having dogshit takes, and then going "Ohoho, the Hexbear tankie redfash have arrived to defend the CCP and Putler's regime! Why am I not surprised!" without offering even the slightest counterargument because they know they have none
we have cultivated a community of genuine good-faith discussion on Hexbear over the last three years and we aren't about to lose it
Y'all are exhausting, I don't have the time or energy to engage with paragraphs over niche Internet drama because your lot doesn't know how to play nice. Feels exactly like when we were federated with exploding-heads. Touch some grass.
should also tell you a lot why there are hexbears who are immediately assuming bad faith, y'all are federated with some dogshit people, its why I voted against it
Can someone else tag in on this answer? I'm too lazy to the good contextpost I saw the other day a and I don't have the energy to articulate it myself rn
wait I just realized, literally click the link and read about what our problems were in the thread where the whole instance gave their opinions on the problems
Seems like most of them either don't like that we have an anti-lemmygrad community (which, honestly, TIL), or they don't like that we have a noncredibledefense community.
Basically we have a couple anti-communist communities.
That's the only reasons I saw in that thread that were actually related to our instance.
My reservation was specifically that the MeanwhileOnGrad comm has a charicature of Xi Jinping where his skin is colorized to be yellow. I think that turning an Asian person's skin yellow as a charicature is racist, and I felt that allowing that on a comm reflected poorly on the instance. I don't mind that people hold different views from us (as many on lemm.ee and lemmy.ml do), but we don't tolerate racism or bigotry. Despite that, I did vote to federate, in part because it's such a small comm.
While the comparison to Pooh originates from a meme in China, many of us would argue that the comparison in general has racist connotations especially when used in the West, and that that image is a perfect illustration of why we think that.
We'd also say that the Pooh story has been exaggerated pretty wildly, along with many redditor memes about China. Rumors can get out of control sometimes, especially when people get dismissed for fact-checking and accused of being bots or paid agents, and so on. Winnie the Pooh isn't banned in China, as some might believe, and it's pretty easy to verify that by looking at the website for Shanghai Disneyland or searching "Pooh" on any Chinese platform such as baidu.com or weibo.cn.
Thank you, those communities aren't very serious so I didn't even think of that. Users on the lemmygrad screenshot community do seem to be spending too much energy on something they dislike but that's up to them. Better they have a place to contain it. As for the other, I'm still not sure I really understand it, but it doesn't seem like anything worth hating an entire instance over.
ETA: those are communities hosted here though, that's nothing to do with our federation policies. I guess their silence speaks volumes here.
Non-credible defense is pretty much just NATO- aligned defense/military memes. I could absolutely see some finding it offensive if the Russian/Chinese/Non-NATO military being competent and having good hardware is important to them.
But yeah, your edit was my point- I didn't see anyone talking about who we're federated with. Most of the people that voted no just didn't want to federate with anyone.
I voted against it fwiw
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There are a finite number of bloodthirsty liberals for me to block, it can be done in time
Note to anyone reading this: I don't mean you if you engage in good faith and with genuine intellectual curiosity, you're fine, this isn't me saying "I block people who disagree with me", because It would just be me in a corner with my ice pick in that case
we all know the types I'm talkin about
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A hexbear user complaining about people engaging in bad faith is just... y'all are on a different planet.
literally 95% of my interactions with other instances' liberals have been them saying something absurdly reactionary and not expecting to receive any pushback for having dogshit takes, and then going
"Ohoho, the Hexbear tankie redfash have arrived to defend the CCP and Putler's regime! Why am I not surprised!" without offering even the slightest counterargument because they know they have none
we have cultivated a community of genuine good-faith discussion on Hexbear over the last three years and we aren't about to lose it
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Y'all are exhausting, I don't have the time or energy to engage with paragraphs over niche Internet drama because your lot doesn't know how to play nice. Feels exactly like when we were federated with exploding-heads. Touch some grass.
Consider just saying nothing to begin with, then
this shit is so frustrating god damn lmao
Do you have a link* to the thread?
does a mini mean a link?
https://hexbear.net/post/458637?scrollToComments=false
should also tell you a lot why there are hexbears who are immediately assuming bad faith, y'all are federated with some dogshit people, its why I voted against it
Such as?
Can someone else tag in on this answer? I'm too lazy to the good contextpost I saw the other day a and I don't have the energy to articulate it myself rnwait I just realized, literally click the link and read about what our problems were in the thread where the whole instance gave their opinions on the problems
Also this is the second comment
It was a good one! Death to America
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Find the lie
Lmao
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I see nothing wrong with this
lmao what an awesome thing to try to 'this you?' with
death to america
Seems like most of them either don't like that we have an anti-lemmygrad community (which, honestly, TIL), or they don't like that we have a noncredibledefense community.
Basically we have a couple anti-communist communities.
That's the only reasons I saw in that thread that were actually related to our instance.
My reservation was specifically that the MeanwhileOnGrad comm has a charicature of Xi Jinping where his skin is colorized to be yellow. I think that turning an Asian person's skin yellow as a charicature is racist, and I felt that allowing that on a comm reflected poorly on the instance. I don't mind that people hold different views from us (as many on lemm.ee and lemmy.ml do), but we don't tolerate racism or bigotry. Despite that, I did vote to federate, in part because it's such a small comm.
While not a subscriber to that community, I'm 99% certain that's merely to enhance the Winnie the Pooh comparisons he notoriously hates.
Yes, upon reflection, them depicting an Asian person as yellow isn't great, but I think the majority will see it just as Pooh.
While the comparison to Pooh originates from a meme in China, many of us would argue that the comparison in general has racist connotations especially when used in the West, and that that image is a perfect illustration of why we think that.
We'd also say that the Pooh story has been exaggerated pretty wildly, along with many redditor memes about China. Rumors can get out of control sometimes, especially when people get dismissed for fact-checking and accused of being bots or paid agents, and so on. Winnie the Pooh isn't banned in China, as some might believe, and it's pretty easy to verify that by looking at the website for Shanghai Disneyland or searching "Pooh" on any Chinese platform such as baidu.com or weibo.cn.
Pooh may not be banned, but some gifs get intercepted on Wechat and that's enough to be notable.
This is such a reddit urban myth, in reality I'd be surprised if he's even aware of the comparison.
Also "it's not racist to depict him as yellow, because it's referencing another instance of us depicting him as yellow" doesn't make it better.
Thank you, those communities aren't very serious so I didn't even think of that. Users on the lemmygrad screenshot community do seem to be spending too much energy on something they dislike but that's up to them. Better they have a place to contain it. As for the other, I'm still not sure I really understand it, but it doesn't seem like anything worth hating an entire instance over.
ETA: those are communities hosted here though, that's nothing to do with our federation policies. I guess their silence speaks volumes here.
Non-credible defense is pretty much just NATO- aligned defense/military memes. I could absolutely see some finding it offensive if the Russian/Chinese/Non-NATO military being competent and having good hardware is important to them.
But yeah, your edit was my point- I didn't see anyone talking about who we're federated with. Most of the people that voted no just didn't want to federate with anyone.
here https://hexbear.net/post/458637