Excited to find the western chauvinists in this community.
Edit: Wow apparently the only people on chapo dot chat are whitees unaffected by and benefiting from their imperialism confidently declaring how the perpetrators are to be treated.
Y'all have some nerve
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ITT If you shoot a black kid in the back in downtown Baltimore I want nothing to do with you. If you perfarate an entire back family in Mogadischu or Baghdad that's ok, you did growth and spaces.
I'm perpetually fascinated by people here who tout ACAB while also twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse soldiers. I guess being complicit in a system that terrorizes the poor, minorities, and marginalized groups while acting as armed forces of capital is bad on US soil, but excusable overseas? Am I understanding this right?
We're talking about people who used to be soldiers.
I understand that?
ACAB applies to people who are currently cops, if they are "good" and quit, then they are no longer cops.
Hmm. Personally I don't even agree with that statement, but wouldn't it be more apt to compare vets to cops that have retired and taken a pension and shit? Like most soldiers don't quit, their contract ends. Does ACAB not apply to retired cops?
I'm trying to have a good faith talk here
I don't necessarily agree either, just trying to clarify the position.
Current cops -> bad (no real way to become "good")
resigned cops who become good one way or another -> mostly good
active duty soldiers -> bad?
veterans who become good later -> whatever this thread decides, ig
Alright. I understand what the position is. Definitely don't agree but seeing how the whole thread is going I'll probably leave it at that lol
Yeah, if you can't tell, I'm not too interested in engaging with it either. I went through it a handful of times on the old sub, so i guess you could say I'm .... a veteran of this topic
That's too bad.
I just don't understand what your point was
I can tell
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Because I'm not a baby brained liberal who gives a flying fuck about the moral culpability of individuals.
Let's think materially here. What is the end goal of a left wing movement? Is it Revolution or is it feeling morally superior to those you think have committed sins against the people? If it's the former, do you think that in a future revolutionary scenario that the people could defeat the largest police state in the world, roving bands of armed reactionary private citizens and the most technologically advanced and well-funded military in the world? Especially in a country where the rural areas are hotbeds of reactionary beliefs and activities while most solidarity-minded people are concentrated in a handful of cities?
That would only be a fair comparison with veterans and ex-cops.
And be honest, how likely is it that an ex-cop has actually reformed?
The only ex-cops that I might trust are those that quit as whistle-blowers; or that were minorities policing minority neighborhoods in attempts at harm reduction or something like that.
Yeah, that's all I'm really commenting on here. This site seems to reject cops pretty quickly but puts a lot of effort into embracing vets and I'm asking what real difference is between the two groups, outside of average age
One difference is the people they’re trained to oppress.
Cops are trained to oppress their own countrymen. Soldiers are trained to oppress people on the other side of the world.
It’s why in revolutions we see the military flip long before cops do. Cops are always the last holdouts.
Does anyone have real problems with ex-cops who have cut ties with cop culture? The problem with that DSA guy was that he was still organizing cop unions and apologizing for cops.
1.) Cops can quit
2.) Cops are a completely separate class of petty landless warriors who are distinct from American society. They have class interests that differ from both the working class and bourgeois due to their unique position as the only habitually armed class in society.
3.) Vets are almost all working class upon leaving the military.
It's perplexing and kinda scary at the same time comrade