Several Taiwanese technology companies are helping Huawei Technologies Co. build infrastructure for an under-the-radar network of chip plants across southern China, an unusual collaboration that risks inflaming sentiment on a democratic island grappling with Beijing’s growing belligerence.
If the Chinese help China build this Chinese infrastructure, it may reduce Chinese dependence on Chinese chips, since China will be able to produce its own chips instead of buying them from China. This may hurt China economically long term, since China is the largest buyer of Chinese chips by far and if they start buying chips produced in China instead of Chinese chips China's economy might shrink.
Then again this is probably not that big a deal. Just more anti-Chinese propaganda by the US, pushing for Chinese independence from China, without quite going all the way and recognizing China as its own country, since that would go against the long standing policy that China is one country and China is part of that country.
Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People's Republic of China.
However, both are China as you can see from the names they've chosen for themselves.
Democracy is when you spend several decades murdering and repressing all leftist political opposition. The more leftists to murder and suppress, the more democratic it is.
Democracy is when the people can vote for their politicians instead of countries like the PRC where they are forced. a selection of candidates handpicked by the US government.
Interesting. I wonder how it will look in maybe 50 years or so.
It's impressive how far they have come in such a short time, but I wonder for how long the population will be content by that.
It's a shame about the rising corruption and inequality, hopefully they will try and improve on that. The very high degrees of censorship and propaganda is also not something I am a huge fan of.
No one gives a shit what you're a fan of. Do you have any idea how much more developed the Western propaganda machine is, and for how much longer it's been operating? Do you realize that Forbes Magazine, created from the Forbes financier fortune, was built on the genocidal railroad projects that Forbes invested his family fortune in? Do you know where that fortune came from? Opium sales in China. Forbes sold drugs in China, and when China tried to ban opium, the British merchants, who owned the newspapers, wrote articles demanding war because China violated British sovereignty with this act of defense. And from that propaganda, Britain took Hong Kong, Shanghai, and multiple other port cities.
The West is the dominant producer of propaganda in the world.
Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.
The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.
I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I'll happily define whatever you want.
And speaking of the ROC Marine Corps, the ROC claims more parts of the South China Sea than the PRC (11 dash line vs 9 dash line), but unlike its claims of Mongolia, which is treated as a joke that no one takes seriously, the ROC is very serious in its pursuit of its claims to the SCS by building naval bases and holding regular naval exercises. Here's Vietnam diplomatically telling the ROC to fuck off from the Spratly Islands.
A Republic of Taiwan has no conceivable grounds to pursuit any claims to the SCS because the SCS is nowhere close to what the territorial waters of a hypothetical ROT would be and a ROT is not part of any international treaty which a ROT could use to justify de jure control. But it's not claiming the SCS as a ROT but as the ROC. And unlike a ROT, the ROC as China does have international agreement which would give it de jure control over the SCS. This is how you know Taiwanese separatism is farcical. It's all "Taiwan is culturally and politically distinct from China" until the SCS is involved then it's suddenly, "aktually as the Republic of China, these are Chinese water and thus our territorial waters since we are the Republic of China you see." But then again, what else do you expect from the political (and literal) descendants of Japanese fascist collaborators who (not so secretly) wish they were Japanese?
Funnily enough, the US is an oligarchy, does not have universal health care, has absolutely shithouse protections for indigenous peoples, and a corporate controlled press that engages in self censorship. By this guy's criteria, America is not an independent sovereign country.
None of the things you stated matter even a little as far as international law is concerned. You might subjectively think that those factors make an independent country, but your subjective opinion simply doesn't matter because international law determines statehood, not am arbitrary list of "oh, well that's nice" factors.
Do you not understand what "burocracy" mean? it is the case "burocracically", but "functionally" Taiwan and China are simply not tied whatsoever. Hence calling Taiwan part of China is "unhelpful".
Feel like I am teaching in an elementary school...
Thankfully you are not teaching in an elementary school because I would expect an elementary school teacher to know the correct spelling of "bureaucracy".
The point you are flailing at is that Taiwan, Province of China is de jure part of China (and the vast majority of the world's nations recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China. De facto there is another entity occupying Taiwan Province.
Contrary to you claim that they are "not tied whatsoever", the ROC splinter government on Taiwan maintains a de jure claim over all of China (plus Mongolia) as blatantly illustrated by the official emblem of the ROC Marine Corps:
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No country or international organization recognizes de facto control as the primary determing factor of independence or sovereignty. This is why terrorist organizations like ISIS or criminal gangs like certain cartels aren't considered sovereign states simply because they occupy and administer territory.
I'm not even trying to be a dick, I just had to look up what you wrote to make sure that it wasn't something else.
Furthermore, your point is correct regardless of whether or not people agree with the PRC or ROC being the leader of China overall, Taiwan province is an independently functioning government.
Taiwan (RoC) is politically independent from China. It is a democratic state with universal healthcare, excellent protection of indigenous culture, and a highly rated free press.
China is helping China develop Chinese chips?
If the Chinese help China build this Chinese infrastructure, it may reduce Chinese dependence on Chinese chips, since China will be able to produce its own chips instead of buying them from China. This may hurt China economically long term, since China is the largest buyer of Chinese chips by far and if they start buying chips produced in China instead of Chinese chips China's economy might shrink.
Then again this is probably not that big a deal. Just more anti-Chinese propaganda by the US, pushing for Chinese independence from China, without quite going all the way and recognizing China as its own country, since that would go against the long standing policy that China is one country and China is part of that country.
Okay but how much wood would a wood chuck chuck tho?
A LOT. If those fuckers could chuck wood I would even go so far as to say probably all of it.
Republic of China ≠ People's republic of China.
Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People's Republic of China.
However, both are China as you can see from the names they've chosen for themselves.
One is one of the most democratic countries in the world and PRC is one of the most undemocratic countries of the world.
"one of the most democratic countries in the world" might be a bit of a stretch here
Democracy is when the people can vote for their politicians instead of countries like the PRC where they are forced.
Do you have any proof of that happening or did you just make that up as usual?
Do you have any proof that PRC citizens are forced to vote lol what the fuck even is this shit man.
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If you were forced to vote for people would you be satisfied or dissatisfied with your government?
Then why does China have a 95.5% approval rating for their government that spans 15 years?
How are the approval ratings collected?
Harvard spent 15 years conducting a massive and thorough research project.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Interesting. I wonder how it will look in maybe 50 years or so.
It's impressive how far they have come in such a short time, but I wonder for how long the population will be content by that.
It's a shame about the rising corruption and inequality, hopefully they will try and improve on that. The very high degrees of censorship and propaganda is also not something I am a huge fan of.
No one gives a shit what you're a fan of. Do you have any idea how much more developed the Western propaganda machine is, and for how much longer it's been operating? Do you realize that Forbes Magazine, created from the Forbes financier fortune, was built on the genocidal railroad projects that Forbes invested his family fortune in? Do you know where that fortune came from? Opium sales in China. Forbes sold drugs in China, and when China tried to ban opium, the British merchants, who owned the newspapers, wrote articles demanding war because China violated British sovereignty with this act of defense. And from that propaganda, Britain took Hong Kong, Shanghai, and multiple other port cities.
The West is the dominant producer of propaganda in the world.
cope lol
Australia also forces their people to vote, are we also "one of the most undemocratic countries in the world"
Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.
The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.
The rest of the world is seemingly too scared to upset the PRC so many won't recognize Taiwan. Many countries maintain unofficial relationships.
It's obviously a country and it's useless discussing this further with a tankie.
How do you define "American domination" and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it? Personally I don't feel dominated by idiots.
Renowned Tankies, the states parties to the Montevideo Convention. Hardcore Stalinists, the lot of them!
"It's useless discussing with a Tankie!", proceeds to discuss with a Tankie. Very good rhetoric, 10/10.
So you can't define it. What a shocker.
Sometimes it's just funny to discuss things with morons. It makes you feel like a genius in comparison.
I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I'll happily define whatever you want.
Vaush?
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They don't want to be reunified under a PRC government like the PRC wants, instead they have a claim on present PRC territory.
Taiwan is independent nowadays though.
Independence from China is when one of the emblems of your armed forces is this:
And speaking of the ROC Marine Corps, the ROC claims more parts of the South China Sea than the PRC (11 dash line vs 9 dash line), but unlike its claims of Mongolia, which is treated as a joke that no one takes seriously, the ROC is very serious in its pursuit of its claims to the SCS by building naval bases and holding regular naval exercises. Here's Vietnam diplomatically telling the ROC to fuck off from the Spratly Islands.
A Republic of Taiwan has no conceivable grounds to pursuit any claims to the SCS because the SCS is nowhere close to what the territorial waters of a hypothetical ROT would be and a ROT is not part of any international treaty which a ROT could use to justify de jure control. But it's not claiming the SCS as a ROT but as the ROC. And unlike a ROT, the ROC as China does have international agreement which would give it de jure control over the SCS. This is how you know Taiwanese separatism is farcical. It's all "Taiwan is culturally and politically distinct from China" until the SCS is involved then it's suddenly, "aktually as the Republic of China, these are Chinese water and thus our territorial waters since we are the Republic of China you see." But then again, what else do you expect from the political (and literal) descendants of Japanese fascist collaborators who (not so secretly) wish they were Japanese?
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Funnily enough, the US is an oligarchy, does not have universal health care, has absolutely shithouse protections for indigenous peoples, and a corporate controlled press that engages in self censorship. By this guy's criteria, America is not an independent sovereign country.
The "ROC" committed genocide against indigenous culture as part of the 40-years known as the White Terror. WTF are you talking about?
I think the poster was being sarcastic, in agreement with you.
Sorry, miscommented
None of the things you stated matter even a little as far as international law is concerned. You might subjectively think that those factors make an independent country, but your subjective opinion simply doesn't matter because international law determines statehood, not am arbitrary list of "oh, well that's nice" factors.
Do you not understand what "burocracy" mean? it is the case "burocracically", but "functionally" Taiwan and China are simply not tied whatsoever. Hence calling Taiwan part of China is "unhelpful".
Feel like I am teaching in an elementary school...
Thankfully you are not teaching in an elementary school because I would expect an elementary school teacher to know the correct spelling of "bureaucracy".
The point you are flailing at is that Taiwan, Province of China is de jure part of China (and the vast majority of the world's nations recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China. De facto there is another entity occupying Taiwan Province.
Contrary to you claim that they are "not tied whatsoever", the ROC splinter government on Taiwan maintains a de jure claim over all of China (plus Mongolia) as blatantly illustrated by the official emblem of the ROC Marine Corps:
No country or international organization recognizes de facto control as the primary determing factor of independence or sovereignty. This is why terrorist organizations like ISIS or criminal gangs like certain cartels aren't considered sovereign states simply because they occupy and administer territory.
weird they claim central asia, tanu tuva, mongolia, and a bit of SEA
but not outer manchuria?
It's bureaucracy and bureaucratically
I'm not even trying to be a dick, I just had to look up what you wrote to make sure that it wasn't something else.
Furthermore, your point is correct regardless of whether or not people agree with the PRC or ROC being the leader of China overall, Taiwan province is an independently functioning government.
The “ROC” committed genocide against indigenous culture as part of the 40-years known as the White Terror. WTF are you talking about?
I like how this part reads like a chatbot.
Lmao, this is like saying the US has excellent protection of indigenous culture.
Except for the part that they claim they are part of China, are strongly economically coupled with China, and are full of Chinese people, sure.
Lol then the whole China vs Taiwan thing wouldn't be an issue
genocide lol
Oh my god you're just making shit up now
Your name really fits too well.
China is China, woah