The slide's authenticity was confirmed by a Navy spokesperson, who cautioned that it was not meant to be an in-depth analysis.

The slide shows that Chinese shipyards have a capacity of about 23.2 million tons compared to less than 100,000 tons in the U.S., making Chinese shipbuilding capacity more than 232 times greater than that of the U.S.

The slide also shows the "battle force composition" of the countries' two navies side-by-side, which includes "combatant ships, submarines, mine warfare ships, major amphibious ships, and large combat support auxiliary ships." The ONI estimated that China had 355 such naval vessels in 2020 while the U.S. had 296. The disparity is expected to continue to grow every five years until 2035, when China will have an estimated 475 naval ships compared to 305-317 U.S. ships.

Another section of the slide provides an estimate on the percentage each country allocates to naval production in its shipyards, with China garnering roughly 70% of its shipbuilding revenue from naval production, compared to about 95% of American shipbuilding revenue.

Because of China's centrally planned economy, the country is able to control labor costs and provide subsidies to its shipbuilding infrastructure, allowing the Chinese to outbid most competitors around the world and dominate the commercial shipping industry, Sadler said.

Alternative title - "Central planning is more efficient than markets" confirms US Navy

  • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    The day when it becomes unavoidably obvious to Americans that China is doing better than them will be hilarious.

    • Hexbear2 [any]
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      11 months ago

      All a person has to do is walk down the street in Shanghai, and then LA or New York City, and even the most oblivious will figure it out! I think most Americans think of China as a collection of farming villages rather than the powerhouse they've become.

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        11 months ago

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      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        I met a young (bourgeois) woman from Shanghai recently, dating a friend of a friend, who said that when she comes to a city like New York, let alone another city in the US, she finds it backward. It obviously makes me wonder but as I'm unable to make the comparison I can't be certain to what extent it's an objective judgement but my gut is to take her word for it, though the fact shes bougie also had to be taken into account.

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          • Kaplya
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            11 months ago

            This is already happening, and probably faster than we think. One benchmark of a “cultural center” is how accessible it is to world culture within the city. 15-20 years ago it was unimaginable to think of, say, some very specific African tribal dance classes in Shanghai. Today, there are studios led by world-class professionals. It is only a matter of time before Shanghai overtakes NYC as the world’s cultural hub.

        • Kaplya
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          11 months ago

          Shanghai is at least 10-15 years ahead of NYC, Chicago or any “top tier” North American cities. Like, there is no comparison at all.

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          11 months ago

          NGL as a Br🤮t my experiences have suggested the US is kind of backwards - stuff like the public transport being even worse than ours, or having only just adopted contactless payments, or not having walkable cities. We're not much better, but it is kinda jarring when Americans talk about how they're the leaders of the free world then are surprised other countries can do instant bank transfers from their phone.

          Anyway, if she's coming from a country that has actually good versions of all that, I can imagine it's like when I went to the former gdr and felt like I'd stepped 15 years into the past.

          • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            Yeh most of the US is worse overall than the UK I'd reckon. I have more first-hand knowledge of the UK, having spent a decent amount of time there, and it's especially striking once you're outside of London. Like in the North, Wales or Northern Ireland the infrastructure situation has clearly been massively under-invested in for decades compared to London. Even spots which are getting in investment like Liverpool or Glasgow are mainly being gentrified instead of becoming more economically efficient or affordable.

            It does also make me wanna go see China but I don't know people there and shit's expensive as fuck lmao.

      • zephyreks [none/use name]
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        11 months ago

        This is the same West that contains Appalachia, right? The question isn't whether China can raise their living standard up to the West (this is already the case), but whether they can raise their overall living standard up to that of top Western cities.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        11 months ago

        美国梦是个人发财的梦
        讲究冒险
        通过个人奋斗达到所谓的成功
        成为有产者
        然后去剥削别人
        中国梦是共同富裕
        追求的是人民幸福
        换句话说
        美国梦是个人梦
        是为美元的梦
        中国梦是人民梦
        是为人民服务的梦
        这就是二者的本质区别
        以后不要在我面前提起美国梦
        俗气

      • oregoncom [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        average soulless westerner fantasizing about genocide.