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If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly (biweekly?) update is here.

Links and Stuff

The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


  • TupamarosShakur [he/him]
    ·
    8 months ago

    It’s so easy to support Palestine when it’s under attack by Israel. Everyone who today is shedding tears for Gaza was a couple weeks ago calling for blood going “Israel has a right to defend itself.” Well they got what they wanted, they should be celebrating. One would hope this would cause some self-reflection in westerners but we all know it won’t, in fact this is a situation that is desired in those same westerners. They are happy to support opponents of imperialism when those opponents are being killed off and displaced and on the run, but they can never support those opponents of imperialism when they are actually materially threatening imperialism.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      Regardless of the outcome of all this, in 10 years there will be an Oscar-winning movie about a white American journalist (my bet is on a middle -aged Kristen Stewart) who happens to be in Gaza when this all starts and “bears witness” to the genocide; and liberals will pretend that they were on the Palestinian side all along.

      (Because you can never have a movie about brown people starting brown people, gotta have that white protagonist or otherwise white Americans won’t watch it).

      • carpoftruth [any, any]M
        ·
        8 months ago

        You have a lot of optimism regarding the ability of the American liberal to learn from this.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
          ·
          8 months ago

          They won’t learn, but they want credit for being the “good people” so they will support the right side retroactively and continue to support the wrong side in the present.

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
        hexagon
        M
        ·
        8 months ago

        If Israel wins:

        The movie will be titled just "Gaza" in capitals with the traditional movie-poster-with-a-bunch-of-faces-looking-in-different-directions. At the beginning of the film will be the usual montage of Islamic life with an orange filter on the screen. The events of October 7th will be displayed graphically - Hamas militants storming out of the fence and shooting unarmed civilians at a festival with peace signs and slogans, with not an IDF tank or gun in sight. The only deaths displayed will be civilians, especially mothers with their babies cradled in their hands, in villages who are woken up by gunfire and huddle in places; some are found by Hamas terrorists and killed mercilessly. The implication will be that Israel never actually had an entire military apparatus surrounding Gaza for miles, the only settlements in the envelope are peaceful villages where Israelis have been living for hundreds of years, and the army is completely absent. All the traditional Islamic terrorist tropes played up to eleven. Kristen Stewart and her co-workers react horrified to the scenes going on from what footage they can see, and start yelling at a heavily armed Hamas official who works in the health ministry who knocks her to the ground and threatens her to remain silent, at gunpoint. The leaders of Hamas are depicted doing the regular evil chuckles.

        Eventually the Israeli army arrives. Attempts are given to treat Palestinians with tenderness and love, but are rebuffed by Hamas terrorists secretly in the midst of civilians. This confirms to the IDF that there is no choice; the Netanyahu actor sighs heavily and gives a monologue or public speech about how every other method has been abandoned and that the only option available will be to bomb the Gaza Strip. At the end he starts crying because of the things that Hamas has forced him to do.

        The bombing starts and is generally underrepresented in scale, though suffering is depicted. There's a dramatic scene where Kristen Stewart is on a balcony watching the Israeli planes drop bombs against the night sky, the flashes of light twinkling in her glasses, and she mutters "This didn't need to happen..." The Hamas leadership decides to launch a specially designed missile that they've spent years perfecting at the hospital, before Hamas propagandists blame it on Israel. Kristen Stewart has been filming this, however, and gives the footage to the Israelis to show that it was Hamas all along, proving her journalistic integrity.

        Israeli raids into the Gaza Strip start - a few vehicles are blown up by Hamas but the overall picture is that of utter victory, real American war movie hours. Kristen Stewart by this point has moved down to the southern Gaza Strip according to the Israeli command. There is obviously no bombing of civilian convoys moving south depicted. Most everybody moves there, and those that don't are depicted as terrorist sympathizers who are at odds with the rest of the Palestinians. There are arguments where sentences like "You're not a real Palestinian if you won't move south with us!" etc. After a dicey period where supplies almost run out, the Israeli government can bear it no longer (Biden or similar: "It doesn't matter how bad Hamas is - we can't let innocent Palestinians die of thirst!") and decides to let humanitarian aid through the border.

        The final act of the movie shows the Palestinian tunnels being destroyed, the leadership being captured by Israel, and Kristen Stewart and most of her team (she loses one member to a Hamas militant, no journalist deaths are caused by Israel) escape via a helicopter. The Palestinians leave flowers at the feet of the Israeli columns that march through as thanks for liberating them from Hamas, and they smile in return.

        • ziggurter [he/him, comrade/them]
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          The bombing starts and is generally underrepresented in scale, though suffering is depicted.

          You forgot that at least one of those bombings will clearly interrupt a scene in which Hamas is torturing and/or killing people in Gaza, and the bomb will go off just in time and somehow kill and/or incapacitate the Hamas characters while minimizing the harm done to Hamas' victims.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      M
      ·
      8 months ago

      Hamas kills over a thousand settler-colonist troops in a single day after breaking out of the technofence; liberals: "Death to Hamas! Death to Gaza! Israel has a right to defend itself against horrific atrocities!"

      Israel kills thousands upon thousands of Palestinians in airstrikes "We should really have a ceasefire..."

      If Hezbollah and the rest of the Resistance joins in: "Death to Hamas! Death to Hezbollah! Death to Iran! Israel has a right to defend itself against horrific atrocities!"

      Liberals can only sympathize with corpses. Actual, living, imperfect people doing the best they can in the awful situation they were born into are not worthy of even the slightest sympathy or kind words. The best revolutionary is a dead one.

    • TupamarosShakur [he/him]
      ·
      8 months ago

      This isn’t aimed at anyone on this site but just a theme I’ve been noticing among people in my life

    • GaveUp [she/her]
      ·
      8 months ago

      Yea, we really need to try and educate libs on this situation from the viewpoint of national liberation, national sovereignty, and anti-imperialism with America using Israel as a client state

      And not as a small guy gets invaded or people dying bad perspective though that's really good messaging for propaganda