• GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Society has also given them what they see in their "mind's eye"

    for men a hairpiece or lifts.

    Wouldn't be caught dead with either. [Edit: redacted], this doesn't really help your case.

    • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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      1 year ago

      Why are trans men allowed to wear lifts but not cis men? Why is it only acceptable for trans people to do gender affirming things but not cis people? Gender dysphoria is not an experience exclusive to trans people, and suggesting otherwise is damaging to people actually understanding the trans experience.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Forgive me, I rescind the pass. No one gets a pass. Beauty standards beyond personal health should be fought rather than reinforced. Some trans men will be short kings and that's okay.

        • booty [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          rat-salute It seems we're in the minority, but I completely agree.

          • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            It's just kinda utopian to be a naturalist in this case. We live in a social context where beauty is sociologically determined and positioned as a desirable standard, and so attempting to emulate any of those standards is pretty normal. Attempting to say that people SHOULD avoid those is utopian/idealistic. Of course pretty much everyone would prefer a society where beauty standards exist for only that which is entirely determined by our choices (like our conduct or learned knowledge). But that social context is entirely alien to all existing ones.

            We can now of course argue and fight for a world where beauty is unimportant for relationships, but a self-image which doesn't include beauty (which is definitionally socially determined) is impossible. First, beauty as such would have to disappear for this idealist position to be possible.

            Let me know if I'm rambling, been having too many thoughts recently

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      What if you're bald but want to metal out with long curls? Men should be allowed to be pretty, or tall, or refined. Or none of these, you want to rock the power doughnut? cool and good actually!

      The reason we mock the chuds for a receding hairline is because they hide this concern for appearance and aesthetic behind a mock hypermasculinity. Not because men aren't allowed to feel dysphoric when their literal hair falls out. I'd be fucking inconsolable if that happened to me! Fuck beauty standards, fuck the tyranny of nature, humans should create themselves and their natural habitat.

      • booty [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        What if you're bald but want to metal out with long curls?

        Bald guys gotta learn from Northernlion. Being bald is cool, but you've gotta own it. There's nothing sillier looking than a bald guy who can't accept that he's bald. Maybe if we lived in a sci-fi world where wigs and hairpieces and all actually looked like hair does it'd be a different story, but in this world, unless you've got like a professional stylist putting it on you every day, it ... doesn't.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          I am of the opinion that we should let people look silly if it makes them happier. Telling someone who's body image is "lots of hair" to just "own it" is kind of shitty.

          • booty [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I mean sure, you can look as silly as you like, I'm not going to haul you off to fashion prison. But most people aspire not to look silly.

            The thing is, a lot of people here just seem to be pushing harmful beauty standards that we should all be trying to push back against. None of us get to choose what our body looks like, and that's why for so long it's been important to help people be comfortable and content with the body they have. Not everyone gets to have the right amount of hair, or exactly the facial features they want, or the right height or whatever. It's part of the life of every human who has ever lived. Nobody looks at themselves in the mirror and says, "yes, that is perfect, there is absolutely nothing that could be improved on." No one. Not cavemen, not pop stars, not people who have had a thousand surgeries to try to fix all their flaws. You only have two choices in this life, to learn to be happy with the body you're in, or to be unhappy. Because you're never going to make that unhappiness go away by "fixing" your body.