1."Federal agencies have the authority to intervene in protests, picket signs, or blockades. The law is impartial: it must be enforced without exception."
2."Federal forces are not required to have judicial oversight for their actions."
3."Forces are not obligated to consider alternative entrances or pathways. If the main path is blocked, their duty is to clear it."
4."This action continues until the flow of traffic is fully restored."
5."To carry out these acts, forces will use the minimum necessary force, which is sufficient and proportional to the situation they are addressing."
6."Instigators and organizers of the protest will be identified."
7."Vehicles used in the protest will be identified and subjected to citations or penalties."
8."Data of the instigators, accomplices, participants, and organizers will be transmitted to the authorities through appropriate channels."
9."Notices will be sent to the judge in cases of damage, such as burning flags."
10."In cases involving minors, relevant authorities will be notified, and the guardians of these youths who bring them to these demonstrations will face sanctions and punishment."
11."The costs incurred by security operations will be borne by the responsible organizations or individuals. In cases involving foreigners with provisional residency, information will be forwarded to the National Directorate of Immigration."
12."A registry will be created for organizations that participate in these types of actions."
On the bright side, the warlord era preceded communist China.
That's supposed to be the bright side? I think many people of those who know the difference would prefer to be shot or hanged than to die from hunger.
Holy shit what happened in china in 1950 to cause this jump in life expectancy? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041350/life-expectancy-china-all-time/
War ended.
So your explanation for "life expectancy is about 33 years in china from 1850-1950" is "a war that started in the 1920's ended"?
Yeah with logic like that I can understand how you're a libertarian
Cheating is impolite and also discards yourself, putting a stain on your position and ideology. Be better than that.
You've mentioned the "change in life expectancy in 1950s", which is not the same.
And yes, in "1850-1950" regard for human life among various people holding power in China has been kinda the same, including communists immediately after taking power.
I've visited a lot of socialist countries and one thing I've found is that one truth is universal; "a thief believes everyone steals". I.E., those who see nothing but greed and selfishness in communist parties that see overwhelming support by the population tend to just be greedy and selfish themselves.
If even the famously Chinese backed Harvard can run a study on public satisfaction in China and find 95.5% satisfaction, whereas Washington only gets 38% satisfaction, obviously something is up. Maybe the propaganda you've been fed your whole life.... isn't true, and relies on the racist trope of the hopeless asiatic who doesn't value life.
95.5% is a funny number for a country with actual concentration camps. Should be higher, not good enough.
Did you know that despite making up 13% of the US population, black people make up 38.5% of the prisoner population? This minority group is concentrated in large constructions called "prisons". In these prisons the prisoners are forced to perform slave labour, or risk additional judicial punishment. The UN has critiqued the US prisons several times for their high mortality rate. Several of these prisons are old cotton plantations, which used to be tended by black slaves.
They get paid 0.1 cent a day now!
They still do, but they used to too
Even the UN gave up the ghost on that little half-baked causus belli
By the way, what would you call the facilities on the southern border of the USA? The ones where some 80,000 migrants are currently imprisoned for committing no crime?
i'll try to answer for them, for posterity of course:
"migrant detention camp"
no wait, it's:
"migrant detention centre"
You can tell when a liberal has done no investigation into this subject by the supersonic-speed tactical retreat that always happens when people actually drill down into what they're saying instead of just mumbling "fuck the CCP" and leaving an updoot.
Mhm, yessir, those hopeless asiatics sure don't value life the same way you white westerners do, that's why China has very real and provable concentration camps. I'm really glad that you take such a moral stance against such an evil thing though and don't try to use it as a gotcha, it shows that your humanity shines through and that you really care about others.
In the 1950's life expectancy suddenly went up from what it had been for a century. Did you learn to read in that weird way, were you just memorized the shape of words?
Yes you are correct. The capitalists and imperialists that had ruled China did not care for human life. This changed once the communists came into power after winning the civil war. Glad we agree.
The life expectancy started to raise before the war ended my man
Living in pre-revolutionary China was literally worse for your health than WW2
Wow the war spend seventy years ending?!
Anyway you unserious dipshit, behold the unstoppable material supremacy of a centrally planned economy
No but really, being the post-socialist exception in moving towards capitalism makes deprogramming people and educating people that this move wasn't the greatest idea really fucking hard. We've lost so much in the long term and problems of this are piling up more and more every year because of this that I always ask myself and others on restructurization whether or not was it really worth it?
Poland was a country with some of the biggest rates of brain drain in the whole EU, home and apartment prices as well as rents have skyrocketed when during socialism owning your own home was basically guaranteed! All the old fucks have kept the home they've had in PRL and the entirety of our youth (including me!) are either made to walk the plank or hope they'll get to inherit their parent's home to have a life with a little dignity in it. And even then your parents don't die as soon as you hit 26. I myself plan to be a part of that brain drain and run off to China. I'm not even going to get started on the inflation since covid, or gas prices since the war next door. It's all going to shit.
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OK, war and repressions ended.
Yes under the leadership of the Communist party which won the war thank you for finally coming to class.
Yes the communists ended famine and repression, good job.
After starting them.
What’s it like to be THIS stupid?
You are unique and not like anything. Love yourself more.
I love myself plenty. Definitely enough to not let my brain atrophy as hard as yours.
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The communists started tzarist repression? You are historically illiterate.
The conversation was about China.
My bad. The communists started the repressions and famines of imperial japanese rule? Or do you mean the repressions and constant famines under british colonial regime? Or do you mean the repressions and constant famine under the Kuomintang? Or do you mean the repressions and famines of Qing China? Which of these do you mean it was that the communists started?
I mean stuff like cultural revolution and campaign for harvest.
The cultural revolution is a thing of the 70's you fucking illiterate moron. The campaign for harvest was a part of the great leap forward, which was implemented in the late 50's. We see this increase in life expectancy already at the beginning of chinese communist rule, yet somehow the alleviation of these things is what explains the increase in life expectancy from the onset of communist rule. How do you explain this? Time travel?
It's quite poetic that communists resort to such language much earlier in discussion than others, and also achieve much less than others when given opportunity. Be it in statesmanship or in their lives really (that part is sad).
It is quite fitting that libs choose to tone police rather than relate to the discussion at hand. They do this because they know, deep down, that they are fools, basing their worldview on vibes instead of factual observations. It is also quite revealing that right-wing doofuses always lack a back bone, they cannot stand by their world-view and so they attempt to hide it. It seeps into their very language, were basic honesty is a struggle. Instead of directly relating to the person they are conversing with, they often choose passive language that hides what they say. This allows them to deny themselves, when they are rightfully called out. This is cowardice.
Answer my question. If it makes you feel better you can use adult language too.
The answer to your question is:
Carelessness in combination with bad memory. I don't care about winning or losing this argument, because you are not going to be close to implementing your views and I'm not going to interact with you while trying.
-Is proven wrong
-tries to reframe the discussion
-gets called out on it
-"whatever, I don't even care, also you can't do anything anyway"
You're pathetic. Please educate yourself.
I also work with city planning and manage to implement my "views" in every project lol.
Yeah, I've already said that you are wrong and why. You may keep repeating whatever you like.
That sucks, but yeah, I've met such people too.
Is this you vaguely referring to your argument about things that happened in the 70's and late 50's to explain events from the early 50's or are you trying to vaguely refer to something else? Also I thought you didn't care about proving me wrong, so you wouldn't even try, but now it seems to be that you've in fact already proved me wrong? Impressive.
Hey, nobody can respect you that much to remember them all.
Every one except for that one about hunger in China, where I said that I made a factual mistake. Which doesn't affect the whole - see Duhem-Quine which communists bring up when put against scientific method.
So you've proven me wrong by mentioning a thing which you admit was factually wrong, and then a vague gesture towards "every one"? Does this every one refer to every one of your arguments, or do you mean "every one" as in "every one thinks so"? And now you mention Duhem-quine, which you refute by mentioning the scientific method. A discussion we have not had, yet you somehow believe we have? You manage to construct an argument you've had with no one here in a single sentence. Congrats.
This is sad, even for a libertarian.
Buddy, if you throw a lot of shit and the other side doesn't want to waste effort on that, it just means you throw too much shit and thus normal people can't respect you to waste effort on that.
Also don't pretend to be intelligent, you wouldn't be a communist if you were.
Lmao so you admit you have no arguments
Now where have I made claims about my intelligence? You should consider going back to school, it seems like your teacher graded your reading comprehension test wrong.
The Duhem-Quine thesis can be true and we can work with what appears to be most useful without divesting in it completely. I'm surprised to see it mentioned, I'm unsure if it's something you are knowledgeable on (even if in passing) or an anachronism that folks on the internet tend to use when they've heard of something and reflexively use it as a non-sequitur for convenience's sake.
At any rate why not clearly acknowledge the theses you put forth and the apparent empirical evidence which is contradictory? One could still argue (where argue is related to its older latin form, arguere; to make clear) and work towards a discussion instead of ignoring claims or finding exceptions to discredit, all the while ignoring the ethos of what is being argued?
A reasonable claim is you are close-minded (refusing to engage with claims on their level) or looking to be intentionally belligerent and for the life of me I can't understand why. What I won't do in the less than pleasant space of not knowing why–which is what my comrades tend towards–is accuse or otherwise dismiss claims and make attacks on character. Not that it doesn't have its place and is not well-reasoned in its own way, rather it's not something I am particularly fond of.
I know what D.-Q. is, if that's what this wall of text I don't have time resources to keep on processing means.
The rest isn't worth anything as you get the same attitude you show and can't pretend to be better afterwards.
-Looks at 10 lines of text
"Nobody has time to read all of that".
Are you doing a bit? Do you really think 10 lines of text is a wall of text?
They haven’t spent years reading 20-paragraph lefty memes like the rest of us
Leftist memes are the length of Ulysses and all the replies are all "so tru bestie :)"
I don't know, I think it's valid that some folks find larger walls of text (to use their phrasing) off putting. I don't know the intention of the other person.
EDIT: huh ok they are from a federated instance... that sorta sours and grounds my perspective a bit...
That's pretty rich considering Communists already control the world's factories
Surely you don't think I type these comments all the time.
Caring about participating and caring about winning are two different things obviously. Don't pretend you are too dumb to understand that.
For someone not caring, you've spent a lot of hours in here
Ah, the table-flip moment
wish me luck, i came here after a short hiatus
Haha good luck
You're being called illiterate because you've demonstrated that you don't know the history of the events you are speaking so confidently on. You've claimed that Chinese communists are at fault for repression that predates their existence, while mashing up historical events that happened decades apart. You've shown no actual understanding of history, and your entire ideology shows that - you would rather engage in utopian fantasies than look at how systems have actually been implemented in reality. You back an ideology that is nothing but a wordy justification for "give the rich more power" and bolster it with a propagandized child's understanding of history (communism means famine and repression right?).
People in this thread have replied with shitposts, but also well-sourced refutations for your claims. You've given us your thoughts on things with nothing backing them up.
First in space, first cancer vaccine, first to weld titanium, and first to recognize you deserve a punch in the mouth.
It's quite poetic that you pulled this card after being proven wrong
Well, you're wrong cause you were mean! Take that communists!
Yeah bro, you're real persuasive with that one
This is the antiquity China that the communists ended that you want to return to.
It's crazy how the commies started 3 famines when the KMT was in charge and disguised themselves as the entire KMT to collaborate with Japan.
Any comment on the clear superiority of a centrally planned economy?
wild how hollowed out france got
yo what happened in france in 1932?
What's the source for that table?
Looks like Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism
I can't tell if you're doing a bit, or.... don't understand how years work.
Omg lol I completely forgot when that book was written. I just zoned in on "book that has lots of tables about national production".
It might be pikettys Capital?
I kinda did the same. I felt like I had seen it before... Lots of tables about national production, must be Is The Red Flag Flying? But thats about the 60s/70s
Motherfucking COWARD I asked you a question
Yes, a country descending to war led by privatized armies is a bright side
Lol. This doesn’t even warrant a serious response
I know you're banned and probably won't read this but my grandfather literally joined the communists when he was a teenager because pre-revolutionary China was so bad and inequality was so rife, his father died from a completely curable disease and had a cousin starve to death.
He's 97 years old now and his biggest regret is he didn't join convince more people to join the PLA sooner.