1."Federal agencies have the authority to intervene in protests, picket signs, or blockades. The law is impartial: it must be enforced without exception."

2."Federal forces are not required to have judicial oversight for their actions."

3."Forces are not obligated to consider alternative entrances or pathways. If the main path is blocked, their duty is to clear it."

4."This action continues until the flow of traffic is fully restored."

5."To carry out these acts, forces will use the minimum necessary force, which is sufficient and proportional to the situation they are addressing."

6."Instigators and organizers of the protest will be identified."

7."Vehicles used in the protest will be identified and subjected to citations or penalties."

8."Data of the instigators, accomplices, participants, and organizers will be transmitted to the authorities through appropriate channels."

9."Notices will be sent to the judge in cases of damage, such as burning flags."

10."In cases involving minors, relevant authorities will be notified, and the guardians of these youths who bring them to these demonstrations will face sanctions and punishment."

11."The costs incurred by security operations will be borne by the responsible organizations or individuals. In cases involving foreigners with provisional residency, information will be forwarded to the National Directorate of Immigration."

12."A registry will be created for organizations that participate in these types of actions."

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        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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          Cheating is impolite and also discards yourself, putting a stain on your position and ideology. Be better than that.

          You've mentioned the "change in life expectancy in 1950s", which is not the same.

          And yes, in "1850-1950" regard for human life among various people holding power in China has been kinda the same, including communists immediately after taking power.

          • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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            I've visited a lot of socialist countries and one thing I've found is that one truth is universal; "a thief believes everyone steals". I.E., those who see nothing but greed and selfishness in communist parties that see overwhelming support by the population tend to just be greedy and selfish themselves.

            If even the famously Chinese backed Harvard can run a study on public satisfaction in China and find 95.5% satisfaction, whereas Washington only gets 38% satisfaction, obviously something is up. Maybe the propaganda you've been fed your whole life.... isn't true, and relies on the racist trope of the hopeless asiatic who doesn't value life.

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              95.5% is a funny number for a country with actual concentration camps. Should be higher, not good enough.

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              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                zenz farquaad-point this mf is still zenzposting in 2023

                Even the UN gave up the ghost on that little half-baked causus belli

                By the way, what would you call the facilities on the southern border of the USA? The ones where some 80,000 migrants are currently imprisoned for committing no crime?

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                  i'll try to answer for them, for posterity of course:
                  "migrant detention camp"

                  no wait, it's:
                  "migrant detention centre"

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                You can tell when a liberal has done no investigation into this subject by the supersonic-speed tactical retreat that always happens when people actually drill down into what they're saying instead of just mumbling "fuck the CCP" and leaving an updoot.

              • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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                Mhm, yessir, those hopeless asiatics sure don't value life the same way you white westerners do, that's why China has very real and provable concentration camps. I'm really glad that you take such a moral stance against such an evil thing though and don't try to use it as a gotcha, it shows that your humanity shines through and that you really care about others.

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      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        The life expectancy started to raise before the war ended my man

        Living in pre-revolutionary China was literally worse for your health than WW2

      • CascadeOfLight [he/him]
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        Wow the war spend seventy years ending?!

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        Anyway you unserious dipshit, behold the unstoppable material supremacy of a centrally planned economy

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        • Łumało [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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          Poland on second place

          Show bez korony
          BOLZGA GUROM URAAAAAA
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          No but really, being the post-socialist exception in moving towards capitalism makes deprogramming people and educating people that this move wasn't the greatest idea really fucking hard. We've lost so much in the long term and problems of this are piling up more and more every year because of this that I always ask myself and others on restructurization whether or not was it really worth it?

          Poland was a country with some of the biggest rates of brain drain in the whole EU, home and apartment prices as well as rents have skyrocketed when during socialism owning your own home was basically guaranteed! All the old fucks have kept the home they've had in PRL and the entirety of our youth (including me!) are either made to walk the plank or hope they'll get to inherit their parent's home to have a life with a little dignity in it. And even then your parents don't die as soon as you hit 26. I myself plan to be a part of that brain drain and run off to China. I'm not even going to get started on the inflation since covid, or gas prices since the war next door. It's all going to shit.

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            Yes under the leadership of the Communist party which won the war thank you for finally coming to class.

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                        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                          you fucking illiterate moron

                          It's quite poetic that communists resort to such language much earlier in discussion than others, and also achieve much less than others when given opportunity. Be it in statesmanship or in their lives really (that part is sad).

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                            • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                              The answer to your question is:

                              Carelessness in combination with bad memory. I don't care about winning or losing this argument, because you are not going to be close to implementing your views and I'm not going to interact with you while trying.

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                                  Yeah, I've already said that you are wrong and why. You may keep repeating whatever you like.

                                  I also work with city planning and manage to implement my “views” in every project lol.

                                  That sucks, but yeah, I've met such people too.

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                                      Hey, nobody can respect you that much to remember them all.

                                      Every one except for that one about hunger in China, where I said that I made a factual mistake. Which doesn't affect the whole - see Duhem-Quine which communists bring up when put against scientific method.

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                                          Buddy, if you throw a lot of shit and the other side doesn't want to waste effort on that, it just means you throw too much shit and thus normal people can't respect you to waste effort on that.

                                          Also don't pretend to be intelligent, you wouldn't be a communist if you were.

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                                        The Duhem-Quine thesis can be true and we can work with what appears to be most useful without divesting in it completely. I'm surprised to see it mentioned, I'm unsure if it's something you are knowledgeable on (even if in passing) or an anachronism that folks on the internet tend to use when they've heard of something and reflexively use it as a non-sequitur for convenience's sake.

                                        At any rate why not clearly acknowledge the theses you put forth and the apparent empirical evidence which is contradictory? One could still argue (where argue is related to its older latin form, arguere; to make clear) and work towards a discussion instead of ignoring claims or finding exceptions to discredit, all the while ignoring the ethos of what is being argued?

                                        A reasonable claim is you are close-minded (refusing to engage with claims on their level) or looking to be intentionally belligerent and for the life of me I can't understand why. What I won't do in the less than pleasant space of not knowing why–which is what my comrades tend towards–is accuse or otherwise dismiss claims and make attacks on character. Not that it doesn't have its place and is not well-reasoned in its own way, rather it's not something I am particularly fond of.

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                                          I know what D.-Q. is, if that's what this wall of text I don't have time resources to keep on processing means.

                                          The rest isn't worth anything as you get the same attitude you show and can't pretend to be better afterwards.

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                                            • quarrk [he/him]
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                                              They haven’t spent years reading 20-paragraph lefty memes like the rest of us

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                                              I don't know, I think it's valid that some folks find larger walls of text (to use their phrasing) off putting. I don't know the intention of the other person.

                                              EDIT: huh ok they are from a federated instance... that sorta sours and grounds my perspective a bit...

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                                you are not going to be close to implementing your views

                                That's pretty rich considering Communists already control the world's factories

                                xi-clap based-department kim-jong-il peekaboo maduro-coffee uncle-ho-2

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                                wojak-nooo I-I-I don't actually even care about winning an argument with these damn tankies. That's why I'm spending several hours of my day arguing with them on Hexbear.

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                                  1. Surely you don't think I type these comments all the time.

                                  2. Caring about participating and caring about winning are two different things obviously. Don't pretend you are too dumb to understand that.

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                          • Babs [she/her]
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                            You're being called illiterate because you've demonstrated that you don't know the history of the events you are speaking so confidently on. You've claimed that Chinese communists are at fault for repression that predates their existence, while mashing up historical events that happened decades apart. You've shown no actual understanding of history, and your entire ideology shows that - you would rather engage in utopian fantasies than look at how systems have actually been implemented in reality. You back an ideology that is nothing but a wordy justification for "give the rich more power" and bolster it with a propagandized child's understanding of history (communism means famine and repression right?).

                            People in this thread have replied with shitposts, but also well-sourced refutations for your claims. You've given us your thoughts on things with nothing backing them up.

                          • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                            also achieve much less than others when given opportunity.

                            First in space, first cancer vaccine, first to weld titanium, and first to recognize you deserve a punch in the mouth.

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                            rage-cry i-spil-my-jice Muh civility! Mods? MOOODDS!?

                            It's quite poetic that you pulled this card after being proven wrong smuglord

                          • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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                            Well, you're wrong cause you were mean! Take that communists!

                            Yeah bro, you're real persuasive with that one

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                    This is the antiquity China that the communists ended that you want to return to.

                    "It has been estimated that, by the 19th century, 40–50% of all Chinese women may have had bound feet, rising to almost 100% in upper-class Han Chinese women."

                    Foot binding is done between the ages of 4 and 9 " To enable the size of the feet to be reduced, the toes on each foot were curled under, then pressed with great force downwards and squeezed into the sole of the foot until the toes broke."

                    as early as the 13th Century we have scholar Che Ruoshui wrote the first known criticism of the practice: "Little girls not yet four or five years old, who have done nothing wrong, nevertheless are made to suffer unlimited pain to bind [their feet] small. I do not know what use this is."

                    "If the infection in the feet and toes entered the bones, it could cause them to soften, which could result in toes dropping off; however, this was seen as a benefit because the feet could then be bound even more tightly."

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                It's crazy how the commies started 3 famines when the KMT was in charge and disguised themselves as the entire KMT to collaborate with Japan.

          • CascadeOfLight [he/him]
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            Any comment on the clear superiority of a centrally planned economy?

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