God damn it, this is exactly . . . look, I know you said I could not but the tl;dr is just that he had a sexual relationship with some lady (who I remember being related to MJ) when she was, like, 17 and he was maybe 21, and they were basically inviting us all to engage in moral outrage over this fact like we should care or know his life enough to understand relevant dynamics. Some people had a Take but most people, not being Hasan biographers, basically did a . You can look in the modlog or whatever to find the post if you want to, LibSoc didn't make that many posts and it was toward the end of their tenure here.
I still feel using somebodies financial status to leverage them into sex aka CW:R (which is something all Johns do) is wrong and should be yelled at people who it.
I agree, though there are a lot of radlibs on our instance who vehemently oppose this view. My point, however, is that from the sound of it this happened some time ago and isn't necessarily something Hasan is proud of, so it seems like an unimpressive thing to bring up without further context. It was bad of him to do, but it is highly normalized -- including deliberately and emphatically by maybe the bulk of the supposed "far left" in America -- and not obviously violent (though you and I understand social violence), and it sounds like he was again pretty young at the time, so it's the sort of thing where if he said "I know now that it's shitty and don't condone such activities" I think it's just not very useful to litigate about it or hold it as some Scarlet Letter marking him forever.
I admit that, as someone who is pretty committed to the bit of Marxist philosophical theory, it is my inclination to say that moralizing and getting caught up in the mythos of individual public figures is broadly a waste of time, but that's why I've been trying to couch things in terms of what comes off as being a bit too obsessive in one's hatred.
I'm a complete hypocrite in this regard almost any time someone brings up, for example, the Hamilton musical. Every single time I just completely take the bait and talk about a bunch of different things I hate about that fucking thing because I really hate it, but in those cases I just sort of accept looking unhinged because I just don't have a very good personality for being, say, a mod. I always get preoccupied with bugbears and axes-to-grind and such, though for some others I control it with a general audience because being able to repeat the bulk of lyrics from like 8* full albums of rappers I hate (don't worry, I'm talking about shitty white rap) is not something you would be well-advised to demonstrate you can do with people who don't already know you.
*and probably another good 12 for "mixed feelings that include severe criticism"
God damn it, this is exactly . . . look, I know you said I could not but the tl;dr is just that he had a sexual relationship with some lady (who I remember being related to MJ) when she was, like, 17 and he was maybe 21, and they were basically inviting us all to engage in moral outrage over this fact like we should care or know his life enough to understand relevant dynamics. Some people had a Take but most people, not being Hasan biographers, basically did a
. You can look in the modlog or whatever to find the post if you want to, LibSoc didn't make that many posts and it was toward the end of their tenure here.
I agree, though there are a lot of radlibs on our instance who vehemently oppose this view. My point, however, is that from the sound of it this happened some time ago and isn't necessarily something Hasan is proud of, so it seems like an unimpressive thing to bring up without further context. It was bad of him to do, but it is highly normalized -- including deliberately and emphatically by maybe the bulk of the supposed "far left" in America -- and not obviously violent (though you and I understand social violence), and it sounds like he was again pretty young at the time, so it's the sort of thing where if he said "I know now that it's shitty and don't condone such activities" I think it's just not very useful to litigate about it or hold it as some Scarlet Letter marking him forever.
I admit that, as someone who is pretty committed to the bit of Marxist philosophical theory, it is my inclination to say that moralizing and getting caught up in the mythos of individual public figures is broadly a waste of time, but that's why I've been trying to couch things in terms of what comes off as being a bit too obsessive in one's hatred.
I'm a complete hypocrite in this regard almost any time someone brings up, for example, the Hamilton musical. Every single time I just completely take the bait and talk about a bunch of different things I hate about that fucking thing because I really hate it, but in those cases I just sort of accept looking unhinged because I just don't have a very good personality for being, say, a mod. I always get preoccupied with bugbears and axes-to-grind and such, though for some others I control it with a general audience because being able to repeat the bulk of lyrics from like 8* full albums of rappers I hate (don't worry, I'm talking about shitty white rap) is not something you would be well-advised to demonstrate you can do with people who don't already know you.
*and probably another good 12 for "mixed feelings that include severe criticism"