well I think the majority of parents closely guard their children when it comes to this issue (in a general sense), because children are very easily exploited, and this matter is one that's very easy for people to exploit others with, so they want to be fully in control or at least oversight of the teaching of this subject - the same goes for politics. Not always with great results of course, and sometimes unintentionally (or in the worst cases intentionally) harmfully, but mostly because of that protective impulse.
Generally, when parents talk about what they want their children to be, they say happy and prosperous, and something useful like a scientist or a bus driver or similar, or to follow in their own career sometimes. I've never heard a parent say they want their children to become pornographers. And again, the vast majority of parents don't want an authority figure and role model for their child to be one. I don't think this is because they don't want their children to grow up to not enjoy or engage in normal human interactions, but rather that its something that can (and often does) carry a great deal of risk and harm, and they want to wait for an appropriate time, when they're wiser, for them to experience or learn about it.
So I'm not sure your implied accusation (I hope I haven't misread you) that its reactionary to not want a pornographer teacher is true.
Theres lots of people I don't want my children around, and pornstars are nowhere near the top of that list. Fascists and reactionaries are. If you open up firing people for what they do in their free time, then I think we should focus on those that are actually harmful first.
Children are very easily exploited.
Do you think having an OnlyFans gives you a craving to make CP?? Do you think OnlyFans hosts CP?
One of the biggest groups of sexual offenders are cops, and they're placed IN SCHOOLS for some reason.
No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask. That isn't the only issue, just the most extreme one. Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.
Again, two bad things don't make a good thing. I wouldn't want my children to have cops in schools, because I'd worry that they would influence their development & education, being authority figures and role models.
No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask.
I'm taking what you are saying in as good faith as possible - that is believing that you believe it. These questions are only as silly as your own premise - So incredibly silly. They serve to highlight the fault in your belief. The fact that you so readily dismiss them (combined with your previous debatebrobehaviour) shows you are not acting in good faith.
Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.
Again you are here implying that the teacher somehow presents the OF content for the children. That's sick.
Again, two bad things don't make a good thing.
Fuck I unblocked you because I thought you might just've been an idiot, goes to show how far good will gets you, I guess.
ok, well I'll assume I'm unblocked... thanks, I'm glad you don't think I'm just an idiot.
I said it wasn't in good faith, because nowhere have I explicitly or implicitly stated anything to do with the subject of your questions - I'm talking about pornography, and a pornographer teacher, being an issue. Of course it goes without saying that the worst of it (that you brought up) is an issue, and I wouldn't expect that would need to be stated or implied in this discussion, or I'd hope any other. So it looked to me like you were trying to accuse me of making a connection that I haven't. Good faith is not simply assuming your interlocutor believes what they say, its also not putting words in their mouth or arguing with something they haven't said or implied.
I'm not implying that the teacher presents their pornography for children - if that were the case I'd expect they'd be more than simply fired, but also prosecuted. Its rather that when this becomes public knowledge, it is widely known in the community, and there is a risk that children could have access to it, and/or simply be aware that their role model & authority figure is a pornographer. With children, because they are different from adults, we have to be very strict with our risk assessments and eliminate all possible and actual sources of harm. With this subject, there is a high degree of risk and potential harm.
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
The students in this particular instance are elementary school kids. So ... if they're searching for porn at that age... what's going on with the parents?
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
This isn't a blame game, it's about who gets to be protected. The teacher being fired is not saying she did a moral wrong. It's saying I prefer for a classroom of children to avoid any chance of seeing porn of their teacher. If we could guarantee that only adults could access her onlyfans, then it would be different.
You either protect the teacher, or the classroom of children. Neither did anything wrong but you should choose to protect the children in this case.
what is more offensive about "pornography of people they know in real life"? sexworkers are all real people that deserve the same respect and dignity as anyone else, doing sexwork doesn't corrupt one's soul or make all contexts they exist in sexual. should porn performers not be allowed to walk down public sidewalks? there might be kids there!
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
Hot take, it's not the teacher's responsibility to keep children from accessing sexually explicit material, it's the parent's. If children are accessing the OF account of someone they know in real life, then the parents need to sit down and have a frank, age-appropriate discussion with them about sex work, porn, and appropriate boundaries.
Yes, because they're the responsible adult, by virtue of their job and you'd hope their age and experience, and its their actions that allow it to become a possible risk. Children of course should be taught properly, but they're also impulsive and not wise and lack education, so we don't treat them as responsible for their actions (with caveats) in the same way we do adults.
Small children can have older siblings or friends who might show them that, and sometimes parents aren't responsible or good parents, sometimes children themselves are innapropriate because of harmful upbringing - this might be unusual or unlikely, but with children (and an institution entrusted to care for people's children) any small risk must be treated very seriously.
There's also nothing bad about teachers not being allowed to be pornographers, or drug dealers. Any teacher must be fully aware that if such activities become public knowledge they will be fired - likely for breech of contract. I doubt this was a surprise to the teacher in question.
No, that is wack, get the fuck out of here
Fucking hellworld ass priorities and perspective
Teachers are only allowed to be asexual, atheist, gray blobs who are must not be allowed to exist as their own human person and must conform to the deeply fucked up values of our society
You going to say that teachers who have attended pride/ kink parades should be fired too, next?
Not to mention that the possibility of a child seeing porn of their teacher is absolutely enough of a reason to say no.
I don't blame the teacher, but I'd prefer for the children to be protected in this circumstances. If it comes to securing the rights of a child or the right of an adult, I'll make my choice. Having young children access porn is abuse enough as it is. The potential that it's going to be someone they know in real life is even beyond that.
I would have a lot greater issues with my kids' teachers being reactionaries.
well I think the majority of parents closely guard their children when it comes to this issue (in a general sense), because children are very easily exploited, and this matter is one that's very easy for people to exploit others with, so they want to be fully in control or at least oversight of the teaching of this subject - the same goes for politics. Not always with great results of course, and sometimes unintentionally (or in the worst cases intentionally) harmfully, but mostly because of that protective impulse.
Generally, when parents talk about what they want their children to be, they say happy and prosperous, and something useful like a scientist or a bus driver or similar, or to follow in their own career sometimes. I've never heard a parent say they want their children to become pornographers. And again, the vast majority of parents don't want an authority figure and role model for their child to be one. I don't think this is because they don't want their children to grow up to not enjoy or engage in normal human interactions, but rather that its something that can (and often does) carry a great deal of risk and harm, and they want to wait for an appropriate time, when they're wiser, for them to experience or learn about it.
So I'm not sure your implied accusation (I hope I haven't misread you) that its reactionary to not want a pornographer teacher is true.
Theres lots of people I don't want my children around, and pornstars are nowhere near the top of that list. Fascists and reactionaries are. If you open up firing people for what they do in their free time, then I think we should focus on those that are actually harmful first.
Do you think having an OnlyFans gives you a craving to make CP?? Do you think OnlyFans hosts CP?
One of the biggest groups of sexual offenders are cops, and they're placed IN SCHOOLS for some reason.
No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask. That isn't the only issue, just the most extreme one. Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.
Again, two bad things don't make a good thing. I wouldn't want my children to have cops in schools, because I'd worry that they would influence their development & education, being authority figures and role models.
I'm taking what you are saying in as good faith as possible - that is believing that you believe it. These questions are only as silly as your own premise - So incredibly silly. They serve to highlight the fault in your belief. The fact that you so readily dismiss them (combined with your previous debatebrobehaviour) shows you are not acting in good faith.
Again you are here implying that the teacher somehow presents the OF content for the children. That's sick.
Fuck I unblocked you because I thought you might just've been an idiot, goes to show how far good will gets you, I guess.
ok, well I'll assume I'm unblocked... thanks, I'm glad you don't think I'm just an idiot.
I said it wasn't in good faith, because nowhere have I explicitly or implicitly stated anything to do with the subject of your questions - I'm talking about pornography, and a pornographer teacher, being an issue. Of course it goes without saying that the worst of it (that you brought up) is an issue, and I wouldn't expect that would need to be stated or implied in this discussion, or I'd hope any other. So it looked to me like you were trying to accuse me of making a connection that I haven't. Good faith is not simply assuming your interlocutor believes what they say, its also not putting words in their mouth or arguing with something they haven't said or implied.
I'm not implying that the teacher presents their pornography for children - if that were the case I'd expect they'd be more than simply fired, but also prosecuted. Its rather that when this becomes public knowledge, it is widely known in the community, and there is a risk that children could have access to it, and/or simply be aware that their role model & authority figure is a pornographer. With children, because they are different from adults, we have to be very strict with our risk assessments and eliminate all possible and actual sources of harm. With this subject, there is a high degree of risk and potential harm.
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
The students in this particular instance are elementary school kids. So ... if they're searching for porn at that age... what's going on with the parents?
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
This isn't a blame game, it's about who gets to be protected. The teacher being fired is not saying she did a moral wrong. It's saying I prefer for a classroom of children to avoid any chance of seeing porn of their teacher. If we could guarantee that only adults could access her onlyfans, then it would be different.
You either protect the teacher, or the classroom of children. Neither did anything wrong but you should choose to protect the children in this case.
what is more offensive about "pornography of people they know in real life"? sexworkers are all real people that deserve the same respect and dignity as anyone else, doing sexwork doesn't corrupt one's soul or make all contexts they exist in sexual. should porn performers not be allowed to walk down public sidewalks? there might be kids there!
Hot take, it's not the teacher's responsibility to keep children from accessing sexually explicit material, it's the parent's. If children are accessing the OF account of someone they know in real life, then the parents need to sit down and have a frank, age-appropriate discussion with them about sex work, porn, and appropriate boundaries.
Yes, because they're the responsible adult, by virtue of their job and you'd hope their age and experience, and its their actions that allow it to become a possible risk. Children of course should be taught properly, but they're also impulsive and not wise and lack education, so we don't treat them as responsible for their actions (with caveats) in the same way we do adults.
Small children can have older siblings or friends who might show them that, and sometimes parents aren't responsible or good parents, sometimes children themselves are innapropriate because of harmful upbringing - this might be unusual or unlikely, but with children (and an institution entrusted to care for people's children) any small risk must be treated very seriously.
There is nothing bad about a person doing porn tho, it's entirely separate and irrelevant to being a teacher what are you talking about
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No, that is wack, get the fuck out of here
Fucking hellworld ass priorities and perspective
Teachers are only allowed to be asexual, atheist, gray blobs who are must not be allowed to exist as their own human person and must conform to the deeply fucked up values of our society
You going to say that teachers who have attended pride/ kink parades should be fired too, next?
"Don't sit on that public toilet seat!!! You might catch prostitution!"
Not to mention that the possibility of a child seeing porn of their teacher is absolutely enough of a reason to say no.
I don't blame the teacher, but I'd prefer for the children to be protected in this circumstances. If it comes to securing the rights of a child or the right of an adult, I'll make my choice. Having young children access porn is abuse enough as it is. The potential that it's going to be someone they know in real life is even beyond that.
it's absolutely reactionary, sex work is just work. and parents are far more likely to abuse children than sex workers anyways