https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1759623139091243242
Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
Death to fascists
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1759623139091243242
Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
Death to fascists
Did you even watch the video?
Yes I did, and while I wish he would have been stronger, and I wish he would rebuke the democrats and Biden for their willingness to look the other way on genocide I also recognize that he use the strongest words he could for the given situation. Congress as a whole, and the democrats are pro Israel. What good would it do for him to draw a absolute line in the sand when he has no support from his peers, and no backing of a national party.
You are correct that he's just as cowardly and pathetic as the rest of the Democratic Party
Understand that when ROE was overturned I called a family member of the democratic party and ripped them a new one over that. Its their fault for not standing up to the republicans when the stole two justices. Its their fault that we have seen the erosion of voter rights. Its their fault Trump won because "its her turn", and it will be their fault again when Trump wins again because they have no actual leadership and Biden is not a viable candidate anymore.
So yes I agree that they can act cowardly and lack a spine as a group, but Bernie has done more to bring progressive ideals to the party, and done more to demonstrate how weak that party is than just about anyone over the last 30 years. I dont see the value in having him self immolate on this single issue. I also find Biden's stance on it the bigger issue. It should not require Bernie to alone stand on the capital steps and burn himself in fire to make a point.
This single issue is genocide. And you treat it like it's a question of increasing the increasing the marginal tax rate. You, much like Bernie, are morally repulsive.
If it's a choice between that and supporting genocide, then uh
O man, you got me I have been outed to the whole internet as a morally repulsive person that wanted to try to have a discussion about a nuanced political issue while also holding personal values that contrast with the position of the representative in question.
Guess I will have to go support the status quo, since being opposed to genocide and apartheid is morally repulsive.
TBH it was my error, I for some crazy reason forgot that c/politics is for fascist blowjobs and not nuanced discussion.
I have no idea what your goal is here, but the guy who pointed out that Bernie is not going to fuck me contributed more to the discussion than your ability to read at a 2nd grade level.
Hmmm it's so nuanced, oh I love nuance
It was my first attempt at trying a different method to see if you actually want to talk, I may keep trying because im sure we have more in common than you think. Just need to find the right combination of memes and fascist misogyny to signal that were on the same side.
I also love to accuse people who disagree with me of being a misogynist for some reason. Plus I also think it's cool to have "nuanced" take on supporting genocide. We really do have a lot in common after all. Do you want to make out?
still dont disagree with you, and still dont support genocide, but hey we seem to be getting closer!
I find your method of communicating your position ineffective and confrontational in a way that is reminiscent of fascism. Using hostility and anger to try to bludgeon people into your perspective is not the most productive way to change minds.
Im stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their "political" team.
So maybe instead of replying with so much hostility to a person who also wants to end genocide we can have a better discussion of what can be done, what could Bernie say.
Just a thought... maybe we move the ball rather than arguing over if the ball is being moved.
Fascism is when i get trolled for being a nuance nerd
That should for real be a site tagline though
Fascism is when you insult me >:(
And when i insult you its Facts and Logic(tm)
Fascism is when I get called a fucking idiot for supporting genocide
“ stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their "political" team”
Silence is complicity. From your own descriptions you are coddling people who would kill anybody who’s not white and you want to come in here, handwringing and taking up all the oxygen in the discussion because your feelings were hurt because you respect Bernie.
I guess someone who’s too afraid to call a racist a racist WOULD look up to Bernie.
What makes you think I sit here in silence? I just use a different tactic to try to win over my neighbors and help them see that were all one people on a single small bit of rock in a big universe that does not care if we live or die.
Inclusion is more powerful than exclusion, and exclusion is exactly what makes genocide possible in Israel. Netanyahu needs a them so people wont question his clinging to power.
This is true but really not the fundamental issue. Zionism was born before him and will die after him. Without understanding the economic basis of fascism and other reactionary social formations, all you can do is produce silly stories like this. Israel is a settler-colony, it is economically (and existentially) dependent on the deprivation of the people whose land it took and continues to take.
But have you considered that fascism is when people online are mean to me? Checkmate tankie
“What makes you think I sit here in silence?“
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“Im stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their "political" team.”
Considering you are still living with them, still describing them as racists, but are too afraid to call them racist…
“ I just use a different tactic to try to win over my neighbors”
And we can see how well that’s working out for you
Oh okay, you've never heard of the paradox of tolerance.
If you really care about inclusion, you must exclude the exclusive.
Glad you agree with me
Really telling that if you actually think we're fascist misogynists your objective is apparently to try to win us over by also being one.
That sort of falls apart because our main issue is that Bernie is going along with the standard US "foreign policy" - put brown people in camps when we're not indescriminantly bombing them.
I will say first instinct when I run into fascists is not to try to be like "see I'm one of you too" but maybe I'm just not as nuanced.
How the fuck is the issue of literal fucking genocide nuanced you absolute fucking weapon
So it's ok to call your relative and ring them out over whatever likely minor role they had in the rollback of abortion protections, but we can't find fault in one of the most prominent members of the senate who's supposedly the figurehead of progressive politics in the US because he's essentially supporting a genocide?
If his legacy is that of popularizing more left wing views in the US, he's doing everything he can to destroy all of that and self immolate by supporting Israeli genocide. Even by your "realpolitik" perspective of some leftist endgame - one that he has absolutely no chance of reaching before he dies of old age no matter how nice he plays - you should be condemning him outright as well.
To be fair, Bernie revealing himself to be cucked to the demonrats after promising so much likely led many people to realize that the system is rigged against the working class and that the only way forward is to tear the whole thing down.
No i called a family member, there is no point in calling my representatives, they were for repealing ROE and one of them is a child sex trafficker who groomed a high school student to be his now wife.
You simply didn't vote hard enough 😌
except calling out an ongoing genocide by an ethno-nationalist-state, seems like that would be a really good thing to bring to the party right now
he couldn't even agree with the comparison with South Africa Apartheid, complete just smoothing over the status quo
if he can't even do that, how does he expect to stop the military aid bill?
What really upset me about that video was his refusal to recommend economic sanctions.
Those would be shot down too of course, but all he was willing to commit to was what, an absolutely useless finger-wagging? To state israel "won't get another dime" sure sounds empty to me when Biden can and will just go around Congress.
I don't know if ive got a point here, but i hated that video. it just felt like a new low
Bernie Sanders isn't going to fuck you
probably not, and he is not really my type either.
No? Unless you think that it's impossible to be an american politician without sucking Israel's dick. In which case I hope you recognise that it's not a democracy, and that because you recognise that you're also advocating for revolution and not advocating for voting democrats. I doubt all of that though. You're a lib that will support them even as their bombs drop on children.
It sure feels that way, I have wanted to have a deeper conversation about a Palestinian state for the last 30 years but were so stuck in Israel is our ally and push back against radical Islam that we cant recognize our efforts compound the problem and the hate.
I think its also rather clear to see what happens when a representative steps up and is willing to speak the truth about Israel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57436573
I am begging you to read Parenti's Inventing Reality
Here's a fun fact: the U.S. does not want to push back against "radical Islam." From support to the Grey Wolves in Turkey (NATO), to the Mujihadeen, to ISIS, "radical Islam" has found support wherever it furthers Western imperialist interests.
"[Graham Fuller, CIA, stated that] the policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them [Muslims] against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia. This policy of destabilization was devised by Bernard Lewis, an Oxford University specialist on Islamic studies, who called for the creation of an 'Arc of Crisis' around the southern borders of the Soviet Union by empowering Muslim radicals to rebel against their Communist overlords." -- Paul L. Williams, Operation Gladio, p. 271.
With regards to the Palestinian state, Israel is only "our ally" due to its role in the Middle East as a haven for European Jewish opportunism/separatism, and as a Western settler-colonial power as seen in Herzl's appeals to Britain.
And compounding the hate? Do you think the U.S. is oblivious to the fact that Israel's identification of its settler-colonial terrorism with the Jewish people, bombing under the banner of the Star of David (despite oppression of Yemeni and Ethiopian Jews/farcical desecration of religious and cultural symbols), only furthers antisemitism across the region, which is then used retroactively to justify further oppression? Are you seriously under the impression that those in command of the U.S., despite being so concerned with Hamas, have not read their 2017 Charter which perfectly lays this out (and this has of course been said prior)? The U.S. is no better than Israel, and cannot cleanse itself by revoking support to Israel, a state only more brutal in that it is in its infancy, and still does not have the sufficient reach to designate all its atrocities to be carried out by proxy groups.
Your example is Ilhan Omar? Who is still broadly pretty popular in her district and notably still in office, she just had some democrat leadership yell at her and tone police her a couple times? She's been calling this a genocide since october and... surprise surprise, she's fine. If anything people have more respect for her now.
This genocide has changed the landscape, it's out in the open and Isntrael have dropped the mask, dropped almost all pretense, so for bernie to continue to be soft on Israel, acting like it's still the 2010s is fucking shortsighted even in his own self interest, and for political popularity.
AND Bernie isn't even a dem, and he's a well established incumbent senator, so he's even more isolated from that sort of establishment pressure the article you linked describes.
I've found the issue! You think we're looking out for his best interests!
why are liberals so afraid of taking a stand
if you don't want to use your spine, just don't become a politician, it should be that easy
this is what gets you a complete and total purge of the left in politics