Seems bad.

  • carpoftruth [any, any]M
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    8 months ago

    I really hope that over the years China-Russia partnership gets stronger and that Chinese acceptance of LGBT equality grows, such that one day Russian chud attitudes towards LGBT issues are squashed out of the state.

    • Kaplya
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      8 months ago

      There has been some regression in China over the past few years that is worrying to me. Significantly more anti-Western and anti-LGBT sentiment (which are being bunched up together) that I’m noticing than in the 2000/2010s. Those were the times of a more liberal era.

      • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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        8 months ago

        Maybe as the west turns on LGBT people the anti-West sentiment will shift towards support for LGBT.

        • Redcuban1959 [any]
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          8 months ago

          I believe that China's leadership is smart enough to see that the Chinese LGBTQ+ community is not their enemy and that if they grant them their rights, it will prevent them from being used by Westerners to push for destabilization by claiming that China is some kind of anti-LGBTQ+ nation, something they already do with Russia, Africa and the Middle East. When, more often than not, these countries only have strong anti-LGBTQ+ views because of Western interference. Also, Cuba has the most LGBTQ+ friendly laws in the world, and I think Vietnam is following suit too.

          • Azarova [they/them]
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            8 months ago

            LGBTQ+ community is not their enemy and that if they grant them their rights, it will prevent them from being used by Westerners to push for destabilization

            The GDR-emblem called this the "political misuse of homosexuals" and it was the reasoning the Stasi used to propose that the SED grant queer people rights and protections, which they then did in the mid 80's. If the socialist bloc hadn't fallen so shortly after, I 100% believe that attitude would've promulgated throughout the entire bloc eventually.

            • Redcuban1959 [any]
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              8 months ago

              100% believe that attitude would've promulgated throughout the entire bloc eventually.

              I believe Hungary and Czechslovakia would eventually follow the GDR's example, maybe even the Soviet Union. But it would take long in more socially conservative countries like Poland and Albania.

          • Kaplya
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            8 months ago

            I honestly don’t think the Chinese leadership cares, but then China is not run by a small group of people, you know.

            One legit criticism against China is the censorship bureau, very likely run by a bunch of socially conservative boomers. There are very strict regulations about Chinese television shows and movies regarding politically and culturally sensitive subjects that you certainly cannot touch. There has been a lot of stories about Chinese film scripts being chopped to pieces and ended up as totally different stories from what the writers had originally intended. This is why you’ll never see anything like The Wire or Hollywood prestige television series with provocative social commentary coming out of China’s film industries.

            So, yes, they still have certain influence over the cultural sphere in the country. And I doubt the leadership cares enough to intervene.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        8 months ago

        Cuba was once extremely homophobic but leadership accepted responsibility for its past and began moving forward even when gay rights were still contentious. It’s not impossible in this current era, and hopefully it accelerates as the boomers retire

        • Kaplya
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          8 months ago

          Cuba also spent the last 50 years successfully resisting American imperialism and their influence, at the expense of getting materially sanctioned by almost the rest of the world.

          It is no coincidence that Cuba and Vietnam, two of the recent countries that have made progress on LGBT rights, are also two of the very few countries in the world that had succeeded in resisting American imperialism.

          For the rest of the world, it’s not as easy as you make it sound to free itself from Western imperialism. Even China.

          It is only when your country has freed itself of foreign intervention that you can truly develop and progress as a society.

          Without that, any progress will be set back immediately by the Western imperialists.

          Afghanistan had a communist government that allowed women to go to school and take on professional jobs, you know? Do you know what happened to Afghanistan immediately after the communist government started to make progress?

          Indonesia also once had a communist-aligned president whose vision was to create an independent non-aligned bloc, the Third World, that was supposed to be free from US and Soviet intervention, do you know what happened immediately to Indonesia when they started to make progress?

          Same thing with Russia following the fall of the USSR. And many other countries that are too numerous to point out each and every single one of them. The point is that Western imperialism has had a heavy hand in stifling progress all over the world since the last century, and without resolving this principal contradiction (Western imperialism), it is difficult for humanity as a whole to move forward.

    • quarrk [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      or somehow the material condition of living in the shadow of US forces Russia to gradually adopt socialist economic policy, because without economic planning, they don't have a good long-term chance of survival.

      Radhika Desai recently hosted a webinar with some Russian intellectuals who claim that the foreign policy consensus in Russia changed drastically after Feb 2022. While Putin has always talked a big game against the West, they say, the state was still in practice trying to participate/cooperate with the West. Now they are fully giving up on that and looking to building up the "world majority" for long term strategy.