He can't go any further right, so he can't be pushed right. Ergo, he can only be pushed left. Libs owned us yet again oooaaaaaaauhhh

  • @Tinidril@midwest.social
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    3 months ago

    I didn't ask "which boulder". To put it plainly, my question was what different strategy from pushing Biden left has achieved something more, or whether they just prefer to be a bystander and jeer from the sidelines.

    Biden is far from perfect, but he has indeed been pushed to the left on many issues. Based on his record it would be fair to predict that he would be right of Obama of Clinton, and he has generally been further left. (Not a high bar to clear.)

    • ashinadash [she/her, comrade/them]
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      3 months ago

      Are you a complete asshole? He is literally funding and arming a fucking genocide. Where the fuck do you draw the line if not at genocide?

      He has not been pushed left on anything. He canned his student debt relief plans, he's currently in the middle of lettings tons of anti-trans bills pass while pushing a bill that includes a ban on pride flags at embassies and such. He is not dramatically different from any Republican, he still puts kids in cages at the border.

      You remind me why I hate liberals so passionately.

      • @robinn_IV
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        3 months ago

        He’s NOT perfect okay, nobody is. Sure there’s the genocide and the concentration camps and the border wall and the strike breaking and you know what? Look, we all make mistakes, that’s what makes us human. Like Jesus said, let anyone who is without sin throw the first stone.

      • D61 [any]
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        3 months ago

        I mean.. I know he's murdering babies... but like... its not OUR babies. maybe-later-kiddo

        • Rom [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          You think Palestinians would be better off with Trump?

          Oh my god shut the fuck up. Biden is literally arming a genocide against the Palestinians right fucking now. You don't get to pull this "well the other guy would be worse" line when your guy is committing actual war crimes with zero remorse. "Well you see under Trump Israel would slaughter 300 civilians every day compared to the 250 civilians per day being slaughtered under Biden" fuck you.

        • Infamousblt [any]
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          What line are we drawing? Maybe "don't do a fucking genocide" is a good place to start. Sounds like you support the genocide though. How does that feel to know that you are supporting the senseless slaughter of an entire people? Does that feel like you're doing the right thing? Bet you won't answer though

        • @robinn_IV
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          3 months ago

          You are a liberal. Oh, sorry you’re a Bernie-supporting leftist who wants the US to be like Sweden without understanding at all why they aren’t or why Sweden is.

          • @Tinidril@midwest.social
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            3 months ago

            I don't even understand that last sentence. Bernie was the best choice in that race. It's not like Warren was going to usher in a Communist Eutopia.

            Here's what you don't get. If you want power you need public support. You can't bypass public opinion and fix the system. That's what Republicans tried to do with Abortion. They went after the power by any means necessary, driving public opinion away from them in the process. They got what they wanted and have been fucked in every election since.

            I doubt that your approach will ever achieve anything but, if you do, you wont be able to sustain it. That's exactly why radical communist revolutions have such an abysmal track record.

            • @robinn_IV
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              3 months ago

              That's exactly why radical communist revolutions have such an abysmal track record.

              Because the United imperialist nations can’t help but commit genocide at the slightest sign of resistance?

            • D61 [any]
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              3 months ago

              We don't want power, we want justice, an end to genocide...

                • NewLeaf [he/him]
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                  3 months ago

                  And this is what your party does with power.

                  Genocide supporter

                • Egon [they/them]
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                  3 months ago

                  And those in power (the democrats) have shown that they will not use it to end genocide, so there is no reason to lend them a hand.

            • Egon [they/them]
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              3 months ago

              That's exactly why radical communist revolutions have such an abysmal track record.

              some-controversy higher standard of living, longer life expectancy, a viable space exploration programme, thousands of miles of high speed rail, consequences for corrupt businessmen.
              che-laugh not gonna waste my time writing for Cuba or all the other nations, because we both know how this goes: I list a bunch of countries that have had armed rebellions and jow they're doing better than the US, your eyes skip over the text and you say something about authoritarianism or whataboutisin.

        • Egon [they/them]
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          You think Palestinians would be better off with Trump?

          Are you trying to argue that it would be easier to make trump stop funding a genocide? The reason people on the left say that they will not vote for Biden due to genocide is because they hope he might stop.