• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    8 months ago

    Saying What Can't Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat

    The war's aims won't be achieved, the hostages won't be returned through military pressure, security won't be restored and Israel's international ostracism won't end

    I want to believe this is a 1980s South Africa moment. But for all the "wha! wha! Our international reputation!" I simply won't hold my breath waiting for the 30,000 dead Palestinians and 1.4M refugees to enjoy any kind of retribution.

    The killing hasn't even stopped yet. The famine drags on. All the Israelis seem to care about is their next-quarter GDP figures. But for Gaza it is so much fucking worse.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      Where do you think ex-Israelis and the fake jewish boers will go to if another apartheid regime falls? I see white people constantly go on about how North Korea is an epic ethnostate. Maybe they'll try to flee there and get shot in the process

      • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        Probably back to where they're from, whatever country is on their other passport.

      • BakedBeanEnjoyer
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        8 months ago

        Realistically, probably America or other friendly European states.

      • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        I don't know, I don't care, but I'll tell you this:

        If the Haitian revolution gets a repeat, I will be 'tending to my own.

        Actions have consequences. Wherever and whatever happens to the Israelis they have no one- not Iran, not America, not hitler- no one else to blame but themselves.

        The only people that could've stopped this was them, because they caused it.

      • Teekeeus
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        2 months ago

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    • Greenleaf [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      I desperately want to believe this will be like apartheid South Africa too; but not only does the Zionist entity seem to be much more committed to their project than white South Africans, the pressure from the outside just isn’t there yet.

      Obviously the US and much of Europe will never boycott Israel. I think if the Global South made a unified effort then maybe that would work. But tbh, with much of the Global South we’re just seeing strongly worded diplomatic censures but no real material action. Not yet at least.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        8 months ago

        South Africa differs in one key respect. They wanted the Bantustans as slave colonies. Israel just wants the Palestinians gone.

      • WaterBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        not only does the Zionist entity seem to be much more committed to their project than white South Africans

        Touch grass, this is a really marginalizing comment which ignores the experience of South African people during more than a hundred years.

        I don't get why there is the need to create this hierarchy of badness, especially without investigation.

        This is like a: "Britta: I can excuse racism moment"

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          I don't get why there is the need to create this hierarchy of badness

          That's not what I understood when I read the comment.

          • Vncredleader
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            8 months ago

            Yeah I read that as saying that Afrikaners had britain and the netherlands and israel to go back to, but Israel has propagandized itself into believing they have no place to go. It is total domination or death to them.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        There are some factors that makes an end to zionist apartheid more challenging to achieve than the end to formal apartheid in South Africa. The concentration of white settlers in South Africa was a lot lower than in Palestine. The indigenous population has been made a minority in most of Palestine, something the South African apartheid regime was never able to do at any meaningful scale.

        The South African apartheid regime was also weakened by military defeat, in large parts thanks to material support for African liberation movements from Cuba and the USSR. The Palestinian resistance is striking far above their weight and are inflicting heavy blows to the occupiers and although Iran is supporting them they are not able to give the same levels of support.