A lot of leftists are marxist-leninist, anti-sexist, LGBT+ and anti-racist. BUT, they'll tell you the dumbest right-wing arguments to justify eating animals. I get that people aren't ideal, but when you are the urban middle class of the West, there's no excuse to not be vegan. Absolutely, no, excuse, to, murder, animals. Historical materialism lets me ok people from poor/oppressed backgrounds being carnist. I would never denounce a carnist in Gaza, but the Westerners have no any excuses to abuse animals.
I get that some people just have no will, I know people can be addicted. But at least DON'T BE A JERK to vegans. Some "leftists" post propaganda about veganism like YT videos that are literally funded by oil corporations. Some "leftists" are so toxic I'd rather have a conservative as my roommate than them.
The "leftists" lie all the time. Meat, dairy, eggs and honey are luxury products available mosty to those in the imperial core. The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.
Dealing with leftists, especially online, is draining to me. How can I be productive as a leftist and not go insane? How can I cooperate with carnists to achieve the revolution? I see no easy solution here
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this argument can be used to dismiss literally any issue that isn't food insecurity. "stop complaining about transphobia, some people don't have food!"
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I did deal with his point. His point was "I don't care about x because there is something I consider worse occurring." It's a shitty point. Fuck that point.
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Veganism and food security go hand-in-hand, fool. Farming animals is incredibly destructive, inefficient, cruel decadence done for the pleasure of the rich while the poor go hungry. If you wanted to feed the maximum possible number of people you sure as shit would not be farming tons of grains and soy just to feed it to animals to eat. That shit's obviously stupid.
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If the availability of food is more important than what the food consists of, then we must stop farming animals immediately. Didn't they teach you about energy efficiency and the food chain in elementary school?
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Then what the fuck does any of that have to do with veganism ffs? Fuck off, debatebro liberal asshole. You can post your bullshit any other place on the entire internet, get the fuck out of !vegan@hexbear.net
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Good, I'm not here to be polite to carnists. You're breaking the rules by posting here. Fuck off.
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That is correct. You'd know this if you bothered to read the rules. Fuck off.
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No one asked for your shitty carnist opinion. No one was talking to you. You are in a space where you are explicitly not allowed.
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No omni apologists or carnists.
Babystepping is for libs, and we're not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about how to fight for animal liberation are allowed.
right there on the sidebar
You're a parody of illiterate dumbass fucking carnist liberals.
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Oh I expect them to show up, that doesn't make it any less against the rules when they do. Honestly I prefer for them to show up, get dunked on, and get banned. I just wish they got banned from the whole site for trolling, rather than just this comm
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If it makes you feel better, I was thinking you were a smug carnist before I read the comment in which you admit to being one. It's not hard to see from a comment or two that you're in here to drop the same shitty carnist arguments we've all heard before.
Stop eating animals.
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how else are you supposed to get the hormones, besides drinking them straight from the vein?? There can be only one, motherfuckers!
Ah yes, the ol' transpire
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Nope
Plant-based diet is about food. Veganism is about animals (horse riding, animal testing)
Don't think I've ever heard of vegans being principled against horseback riding before, but I'll take your word for it. Never met anyone being against animal testing from a vegan perspective before either, but again, you seem more knowledgeable than me regarding this point.
But in your view, is veganism about the right to life/freedom for animals then? Or what is veganism, if it is not about food.
Vegans aren't necessarily always in agreement since there isn't a unified vegan front yet, but taken as a principle it should be a recognition that animals don't deserve mistreatment. Animals should be recognized as living entities, same as humans. A vegan should see eating an animal as equivalent to cannibalism. Would you say refusing to be a cannibal is a type of diet?
It's not necessarily a set of restrictions on diet, but rather, the promotion of an ethical framework of how to end animal exploitation. The food thing comes up a lot because that's what most people will encounter the most. It's the most common type of animal exploitation. Vegans also refuse to wear leather or wool.
Ethical vegans would necessarily argue against horseback riding, or any other sort of animal husbandry. Some vegans are so against animal husbandry they'll refuse to eat crops grown through the manipulation of bees, like some avocados.
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I try my best. I hope I helped. Thank you for interacting in good faith and trying to learn.
Read the sidebar. Literally the first stated rule is:
Veganism is not environmentalism. Veganism is about not stabbing a pig when you can eat rice instead. Veganism is strictly about animals, plant-based diet is about food
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I'm vegan but not because of the environment. It's because animals shouldn't be murdered and exploited
I'd make the case that both can be true. My personal veganism is intrinsically tied to both environmentalism and the ethical treatment of animals. We can't treat animals ethically if we don't have a stable environment.
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