US Senator Lindsey Graham insisted in a TV interview that Israel should drop nuclear bombs on Gaza, where more than 2 million Palestinian civilians, includin...
What do you mean, "what if?" That's always been the entire point.
Israeli foreign policy is holding the world hostage to demand endless shipments of weapons and support, because they'll irreparably damage the planet if placed into a losing position.
They don't have long range missiles. They can't hit anything outside of europe and the M.E. They're not ending the world, they'll just fuck up parts of it.
Here's a range map for the Jericho IV (YA-5) missile, which entered service in 2019. It's closely related to the Shavit 2 rocket, which can take an 800kg payload to LEO. The Jericho IV has a "rumored" nuclear strike capable range of 11,500km. Here is a Great Circle range map, showing this 11,500km range centered around Tel Aviv.
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Israel also has 5 Dolphin-class submarines, each equipped with a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead with a 1500km range, providing an offshore second-strike capability or which could be used as part of the Samson option.
The entirety of the Israeli nuclear program is considered "rumored" despite hard data on specifications existing, so it's basically the one and only time where you can assume rumored information is correct.
Where are you getting the "rumored" range on that new jericho from? Idk if its an Intercontinental, and not just a ballstic missile? I thought they didn't have an icbm program, but maybe not?
I thought they didn't have an icbm program, but maybe not?
It should be general knowledge at this point that Israel's MO is basically to tell you "no we're not doing this" while absolutely doing it and then all but openly bragging about it in Hebrew-language media.
General Itzhak Ben-Israel, former head of Maf'at (Israeli Directorate of Defense, Research and Development) said of the then in-development 3 stage extended range variant of the Jericho III "Everybody can do the mathematics... we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world." This three stage variant capable of 11,500km is the Jericho IV missile. That CRS Missile Survey document gives information on the Jericho III and technically the Jericho IV as the 3 stage version was spun off into that version.
I can't really give you harder evidence than a direct US government report that covers the missile in question, it's not like Israel (or anyone else) is just publishing the full spec sheets for civilians to peruse or anything. I'll admit that it does suck that the best documentation available on this is 20 years old, but feel free to submit a FOIA request.
We also don't really know how a modern nuclear attack would play out. We have simulations but it's not an easy thing to simulate and the nature of nuclear attacks have changed a lot since the 40's
it's funny how they tried to make us quake in fear over the threat of "rouge states" (aka North Korea, Iran, once Iraq, libya, now russia) all of them, besides Russia, don't have the capability of ending civilization and unlike Russia, dont have a policy specifically to do it as a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world if they don't get their way
i'm seriously, 100% scared deep in my bones israel will do a Samson-option like strike if they undergo a sudden internal collapse, which at this point is far more likely then the U.S. the U.S., while not having this policy, i do believe would absolutely do the same thing which is why i am far more leery about calls for civil war or balkanization because i fear for the rest of the world
but israel keeps me up at night. if the concept of a true "rouge state" to the international order or whatever was real every nation on earth would be forming a coalition to invade and pacify israel and use a massive combined special operations mission to secure the nukes and kill/capature all their political and military leadership. like a joint global U.N. military operation the likes the world has never seen. blockades, deployment of every anti-missile weapon system known to man, total communicaiton blackouts, and possibly even preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes with stealth cruise missiles.
whatever it takes. we unite against this threat.
but instead the west pretends this nation with 300+ secret fission-fusion weapons is moral and rational
sometimes i wonder if there is a more "realist" minority contingent in the U.S. military-political blob that is letting israel do whatever it wants and keeps them placated not out of ideological commitment to zionist but knowing they have a rabid and violent animal on a rusting chain and know they can do nothing to stop it
What if the samson option involves using nukes on european or american cities out of spite
What do you mean, "what if?" That's always been the entire point.
Israeli foreign policy is holding the world hostage to demand endless shipments of weapons and support, because they'll irreparably damage the planet if placed into a losing position.
They don't have long range missiles. They can't hit anything outside of europe and the M.E. They're not ending the world, they'll just fuck up parts of it.
Here's a range map for the Jericho IV (YA-5) missile, which entered service in 2019. It's closely related to the Shavit 2 rocket, which can take an 800kg payload to LEO. The Jericho IV has a "rumored" nuclear strike capable range of 11,500km. Here is a Great Circle range map, showing this 11,500km range centered around Tel Aviv.
Israel also has 5 Dolphin-class submarines, each equipped with a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead with a 1500km range, providing an offshore second-strike capability or which could be used as part of the Samson option.
The entirety of the Israeli nuclear program is considered "rumored" despite hard data on specifications existing, so it's basically the one and only time where you can assume rumored information is correct.
Source: 2005 Congressional Research Service Missile Survey report and like, constant bragging from Israeli military brass about this.
Where are you getting the "rumored" range on that new jericho from? Idk if its an Intercontinental, and not just a ballstic missile? I thought they didn't have an icbm program, but maybe not?
It should be general knowledge at this point that Israel's MO is basically to tell you "no we're not doing this" while absolutely doing it and then all but openly bragging about it in Hebrew-language media.
General Itzhak Ben-Israel, former head of Maf'at (Israeli Directorate of Defense, Research and Development) said of the then in-development 3 stage extended range variant of the Jericho III "Everybody can do the mathematics... we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world." This three stage variant capable of 11,500km is the Jericho IV missile. That CRS Missile Survey document gives information on the Jericho III and technically the Jericho IV as the 3 stage version was spun off into that version.
I can't really give you harder evidence than a direct US government report that covers the missile in question, it's not like Israel (or anyone else) is just publishing the full spec sheets for civilians to peruse or anything. I'll admit that it does suck that the best documentation available on this is 20 years old, but feel free to submit a FOIA request.
Fair enough. Thanks :)
We also don't really know how a modern nuclear attack would play out. We have simulations but it's not an easy thing to simulate and the nature of nuclear attacks have changed a lot since the 40's
Irreparably damage the NATO bloc, maybe.
I thought that was the point, if Israel falls so does the fucking world
it's funny how they tried to make us quake in fear over the threat of "rouge states" (aka North Korea, Iran, once Iraq, libya, now russia) all of them, besides Russia, don't have the capability of ending civilization and unlike Russia, dont have a policy specifically to do it as a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world if they don't get their way
i'm seriously, 100% scared deep in my bones israel will do a Samson-option like strike if they undergo a sudden internal collapse, which at this point is far more likely then the U.S. the U.S., while not having this policy, i do believe would absolutely do the same thing which is why i am far more leery about calls for civil war or balkanization because i fear for the rest of the world
but israel keeps me up at night. if the concept of a true "rouge state" to the international order or whatever was real every nation on earth would be forming a coalition to invade and pacify israel and use a massive combined special operations mission to secure the nukes and kill/capature all their political and military leadership. like a joint global U.N. military operation the likes the world has never seen. blockades, deployment of every anti-missile weapon system known to man, total communicaiton blackouts, and possibly even preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes with stealth cruise missiles.
whatever it takes. we unite against this threat.
but instead the west pretends this nation with 300+ secret fission-fusion weapons is moral and rational
sometimes i wonder if there is a more "realist" minority contingent in the U.S. military-political blob that is letting israel do whatever it wants and keeps them placated not out of ideological commitment to zionist but knowing they have a rabid and violent animal on a rusting chain and know they can do nothing to stop it
It's Rogue, rouge means red, "Khmer Rouge"
start referring to our state designated socialist enemies as "red states" and watch libs be like "wait are we talking about trump country?"
That's another meaning I've been opened to.... (tbh, tho, I don't wanna associated Trump-color U.S states with good AES nation-states)