• nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    24 days ago

    Starship Troopers too. You basically can't make satire of this type without a huge proportion of the viewers going "whoah, cool shooty guns! wow! I'm just like the protagonist!"

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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      23 days ago

      It’s settled, after the revolution we need to make a reverse Haye’s code where the main rule is that the villains cannot be too cool, too sexy, or whatever.

      I think a good 30% of CHUDs under 45 are CHUDS because they want to emulate the cool supervillains from media.

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        23 days ago

        I'm on board but if your take from starship troopers is the villains (bug aliens) are too sexy let's get into that please

      • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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        23 days ago

        The thing about Falling Down, the villain isn't cool, his a divorced loser who lives with his mom.

        I think a good 30% of CHUDs under 45 are CHUDS because they want to emulate the cool supervillains from media.

        Nah it's settler brain. Blaming in on media is missing the forest through the trees.

        • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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          23 days ago

          FWIW, those institutions are still super important for setting the culture if I understand my gramsci correctly.

          • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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            23 days ago

            Yeah but, and I don't have anything to back this up besides vibes, I kinda suspect the nerds to post about how much they like Fight Club and Joker mostly just edgelord post online. The actual MAGA dudes who go and do shit outside, regardless of how embarrassing it is, are probably more brain-poised on like Call of Duty and those bad direct to TV Steven Seagal films, Joker would be too artsy for them.

            Really though I think its mostly their suburban, white bread, driving the Silverado to Buffalo Wild Wings every Friday while pretending to be an independent frontiersman lifestyle that rots their brain. I mean, the media they consume is part of that but it's just one ingredient in the brain-worm soup, removing it and it alone wouldn't do shit. Also you know plenty of socialists watched Fight Club and Joker and played too much COD but ended up where we are now, I know I fucking did.

            In think most of the people on this site are themselves media fixated nerds (including myself) and so tend to ascribe to media way more power than it has. It's a piece of the puzzle but I don't think its a particularly big one, at least not when taken with everything else.

            • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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              23 days ago

              It's definitely the loudest piece of the puzzle but I agree that it's not the largest.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        23 days ago

        In the future all film makers will study Mel Brooks and Charlie Chaplin's depictions of Nazis before they're allowed to touch fascism.

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        23 days ago

        It’s settled, after the revolution we need to make a reverse Haye’s code where the main rule is that the villains cannot be too cool, too sexy, or whatever.

        I've said it before and I'll say it again: writers need to beat the audience over and about the head with the point they want to make to the point of having a character and/or the narrator literally just straight up tell the audience the point several times, and only after that are they allowed to engage in allegory of any sort of even slightly ambiguous characterization.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      23 days ago

      Retvrn to movies like It's A Wonderful Life where they beat you over the head with the message

    • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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      23 days ago

      Fucking hell the recent discourse around the movie drives me up the wall. All the chuds that think they're vindicated because the director said the "bugs launched the meteor" in the director's commentary or whatever despite the movie itself directly contradicting this.

      We see them ram the fucking meteor and change its trajectory. Rico's sitting in the barracks after quitting service talking with his parents on the telephone when the call suddenly drops when the meteor lands. Rico grabs his bag and walks out of the barracks to leave. Then the big fucking jumbotron outside starts playing a fully cut, edited, and narrated propaganda reel complete with rising death toll showing how Buenos Aires was destroyed by a meteor, they already determined it came from Klandathu and didn't arrive by chance but was launched with purpose, and the council already convened and decided on war. Shortly after this, they have another fully edited and narrated reel with footage of the destruction wrought by the meteor, complete with literal crisis actors rooting through burned out houses shouting jingoisms at the camera about the damn fucking buggos.

      The movie does everything it could reasonably do to show you that it's a false flag without saying it out loud. Rico is perhaps the only fucking person on Earth with the knowledge to deduce this is a government plot, and he still signs back up with fervor to join the war effort now that his family and home is destroyed.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      23 days ago

      That's not the fault of the people making the movies, that's the fault of dumbasses not being able to actually understand things and don't understand the concept of "show, don't tell". Like Fallen Down, Starship Troopers, Fight Club, Taxi Driver, etc are very heavy handed and obvious in terms of satire. They clearly show you why. The only way for these movies to be more obvious would be for them not to be satirical.