On the topic of Muslims though, he's also actively facilitating a genocide of a majority Muslim nation, even circumventing Congress to do so.
If your litmus test for what candidate to support is 'which one might be the least terrible', and that test leads you to actively support the one running guns and giving diplomatic cover to a nation engaging in ethnic cleansing, I think you need to re-evaluate things. And you are actively supporting him because you're in here defending him. The president who is enabling mass murder.
"Oh but Trump would do it too" that isn't a defense for why Biden is doing it.
Moving goal post. One is dealing with a massive influx of migrants the other was used for "terriost".
Do we need to redo our immigration process? Absolutely, speaking from experience. Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No. Is biden doing the best thing for the southern border. I'm not sure, experts seems to say no.
Only took 2 contentious replies for them to go from 'religious ban bad' to 'uncontrolled immigrants are a problem'.
And they claim to be a succdem lmao, they're not even that, they're an embarrassed conservative. Even most liberals don't like this policy, it's why 'most experts' by their own admission are against it. r/politics buries most articles on it.
So labeling the "massive influx of migrants" as a "national security risk" like Biden has done, doesn't count as a continuation and in fact enlargement of the previous "terriost" policy, why is one right the other wrong in your books? Is it because the team you don't like did one and the team you do like did the other?
Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No
So you believe imaginary lines in the sand are sacrosanct, even if it means putting people in concentrations camps, dividing families and enlarging the power of the state to literally hunt people for glorified jaywalking?
I'm looking at tens of thousands of people crossing over without a proper support system setup. I'm looking at people that will be targeted and have higher rates of abuse. Not everything in the world is black and white.
So you believe denying those people asylum, putting them in concentration camps, separating them from their families, labeling them criminals and national security threats and sending them back to death and absolute poverty is actually the state helping them? Is that seriously your claim?
You don't understand, there's a wormhole that's producing 5.8e14 immigrants daily at the southern border. We don't know where they came from and it shows no signs of stopping. There is no way we can possible manage those many people.
Ah wait, Blackrock actually has bought up those many vacant homes anyway, so we could handle it, but that would make line go down.
The post was about shutting down the border and deporting everyone, so...yeah I guess I 'moved the goal post' from where you already moved it to be ('muslim ban'), but Biden is quite literally doing that, and he drew inspiration from that ban.
No. Is biden doing the best thing for the southern border. I'm not sure, experts seems to say no.
Then why are you here vehemently defending him and his fucking awful policies? Do you think you're changing anyone's mind? Or are you trying to convince yourself?
I pointed out how trump made this by targeting people not a problem. Biden tried to let congress resolve the border issue and they didn't. He used the same tactic that trump did. Neither is right but we also have an issue with our southern border. I get you want the world to burn but that usually cost lives in the process. One I think you're not ready to give up.
lmao what? I 'want the world to burn'? Why, because I don't think "shutting down the southern border until we figure this thing out" is acceptable under either admin?
is that the right link for the attorney general arguing indefinite detainment? I didn't see it at the linked article which seems to be about ending MPP
Neither is right but we also have an issue with our southern border
What's the issue? Are you under the mistaken impression the US can't absorb an additional 1, 5, 10, 100 million people, a country that has given in the last year over 200 billion dollars in military aid to fascist regimes all over the world? Are you making a Malthusian argument? A eugenics argument? Or do you bear racial animus towards people of Hispanic heritage specifically?
yes the US can and should allow in anyone who wants to be there. the US government has caused most of the problems causing people to flee their homes... and the country was founded by "uncontrolled numbers [..] coming in" in the first place.
Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No.
the "migrant crisis" is fascist propaganda that has exclusively been utilised to justify state brutality towards the most vulnerable section of society and to dehumanise anybody considered "not american enough" (immigrant or otherwise) in the US.
The goal posts are buried in 500 hundred feet of concrete, right in front of human rights, but unfortunately biden drove a fleet of mlrs platforms in front of the goal and aimed them at aid workers and civilians
Good point, he didn't.
Biden used it to structure the new 'migrant bill' he's going to sign.
On the topic of Muslims though, he's also actively facilitating a genocide of a majority Muslim nation, even circumventing Congress to do so.
If your litmus test for what candidate to support is 'which one might be the least terrible', and that test leads you to actively support the one running guns and giving diplomatic cover to a nation engaging in ethnic cleansing, I think you need to re-evaluate things. And you are actively supporting him because you're in here defending him. The president who is enabling mass murder.
"Oh but Trump would do it too" that isn't a defense for why Biden is doing it.
Moving goal post. One is dealing with a massive influx of migrants the other was used for "terriost".
Do we need to redo our immigration process? Absolutely, speaking from experience. Can we allow uncontrolled numbers from coming into the us? No. Is biden doing the best thing for the southern border. I'm not sure, experts seems to say no.
racist snake.
Only took 2 contentious replies for them to go from 'religious ban bad' to 'uncontrolled immigrants are a problem'.
And they claim to be a succdem lmao, they're not even that, they're an embarrassed conservative. Even most liberals don't like this policy, it's why 'most experts' by their own admission are against it. r/politics buries most articles on it.
This idiot is just an out and about racist.
Well what else were they supposed to do? They got scratched! They really had no other options.
So labeling the "massive influx of migrants" as a "national security risk" like Biden has done, doesn't count as a continuation and in fact enlargement of the previous "terriost" policy, why is one right the other wrong in your books? Is it because the team you don't like did one and the team you do like did the other?
So you believe imaginary lines in the sand are sacrosanct, even if it means putting people in concentrations camps, dividing families and enlarging the power of the state to literally hunt people for glorified jaywalking?
I don't think he is even from the US he's on a .de site which makes this somehow funnier.
A German who's a massive racist particularly to immigrants?
First time for everything huh
they are not racist, they love döner
We've been talking to a racist sauerkraut this whole time?!
Well not anymore I guess
idk why we're federated with that shithole site I've literally never seen a poster from there who wasn't like this
Low level lib grinding zone
prologue instance
I'm looking at tens of thousands of people crossing over without a proper support system setup. I'm looking at people that will be targeted and have higher rates of abuse. Not everything in the world is black and white.
So then the answer is to set up that support system and punish those that would target vulnerable migrants right?
Oh no? You just want to punish people fleeing from violence and impoverishment inflicted on them by our own foreign policy?
Cool. Face the wall please.
How about we deport you to make room?
So you believe denying those people asylum, putting them in concentration camps, separating them from their families, labeling them criminals and national security threats and sending them back to death and absolute poverty is actually the state helping them? Is that seriously your claim?
Why not?
You don't understand, there's a wormhole that's producing 5.8e14 immigrants daily at the southern border. We don't know where they came from and it shows no signs of stopping. There is no way we can possible manage those many people.
Ah wait, Blackrock actually has bought up those many vacant homes anyway, so we could handle it, but that would make line go down.
Okay, I actually would be worried about immigration at 5.8e14 immigrants a day.
Thankfully for all of us, the finance imperialist ghouls have been playing real estate cookie clicker so it's not even a concern.
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it's because they aren't white
when people say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds they're talking about you, jackass
The post was about shutting down the border and deporting everyone, so...yeah I guess I 'moved the goal post' from where you already moved it to be ('muslim ban'), but Biden is quite literally doing that, and he drew inspiration from that ban.
Then why are you here vehemently defending him and his fucking awful policies? Do you think you're changing anyone's mind? Or are you trying to convince yourself?
I pointed out how trump made this by targeting people not a problem. Biden tried to let congress resolve the border issue and they didn't. He used the same tactic that trump did. Neither is right but we also have an issue with our southern border. I get you want the world to burn but that usually cost lives in the process. One I think you're not ready to give up.
lmao what? I 'want the world to burn'? Why, because I don't think "shutting down the southern border until we figure this thing out" is acceptable under either admin?
Biden is giving border patrol more money then Trump ever was, after campaigning on how inhumane it was. Biden's attorney general argued to the Supreme Court that migrants can be indefinitely detained. Biden is signing an EO limiting migrants (only ones coming from the southern border). Biden is on record saying, in 2006 well before 'we have a problem at the border' that he thinks we need a wall.
You're talking about human beings asshole, who are also less likely to commit crimes. Keep spitting up conservative propaganda though.
Do you lot have the AOC crying at the fence as an emoji?
I think we do, but I can't remember what it's called
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is that the right link for the attorney general arguing indefinite detainment? I didn't see it at the linked article which seems to be about ending MPP
Ah, you right, I got heated and got my links messed up
This is what I should've used
What's the issue? Are you under the mistaken impression the US can't absorb an additional 1, 5, 10, 100 million people, a country that has given in the last year over 200 billion dollars in military aid to fascist regimes all over the world? Are you making a Malthusian argument? A eugenics argument? Or do you bear racial animus towards people of Hispanic heritage specifically?
Weird how if you turn off all the conservative propaganda that problem disappears
yes the US can and should allow in anyone who wants to be there. the US government has caused most of the problems causing people to flee their homes... and the country was founded by "uncontrolled numbers [..] coming in" in the first place.
the "migrant crisis" is fascist propaganda that has exclusively been utilised to justify state brutality towards the most vulnerable section of society and to dehumanise anybody considered "not american enough" (immigrant or otherwise) in the US.
The goal posts are buried in 500 hundred feet of concrete, right in front of human rights, but unfortunately biden drove a fleet of mlrs platforms in front of the goal and aimed them at aid workers and civilians
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moving goal posts is when he does the thing
Go fuck yourself, lib