Saudi Arabia officials said on Sunday that more than 1,300 Muslims died during the Hajj pilgrimage, which took place during intense heat, and that most of th...
I know like, probably more people than I can count on one hand, who've moved down there in the last 5 years (though some are more like snowbirds and don't stay all summer)
I said it then that they're gonna be out of groundwater and scorching in the sun like never before within like 10 years but nobody seems to care. I guess they assume they're well off enough to just leave. And they're right, but their finances will probably be wrecked if they have to keep paying a mortgage on a lot in uninhabitable wasteland.
Everyone assumes they'll be able to leave in time. I hope this isn't but what happens 2 weeks into a 120° heat wave, planes are grounded, there are rolling blackouts due to an overstressed power grid, highways are clogged by vehicles full of people trying to escape, and what little state/federal "support" is basically declaring martial law and shooting people trying to get into a golf course to get at the water in the ponds?
when it comes to climate refugee stuff, I think the "normalcy" of so many climate controlled spaces and the availability of drinking water being so common gives people the false impression that depopulation due to climate change will be like it was with deindustrialization: slow, calculated, etc.
they don't recognize that capital is trying to maximize its value extraction right up until the moment when they dissolve organizations and electronically transfer out funds. they think someone will pull the alarm cord and there will be an exodus to a preplanned location in an orderly fashion.
they don't picture turning on the sink faucet and nothing potable coming out, driving to the Walmart and finding the shelves of water empty. preparing to get on the road to drive somewhere else, only to find the gas stations with 4 hour long lines and no guarantees.
I've tried to tell friends and family how important it is to get out of fragile places. I say, "when is the best time to leave? are the roads clear and gas stations open? then right now."
but people get comfortable in their routines and believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that someone in charge will tell them when it's time. they think leaving sometime in the unscheduled future will somehow be easier than the present.
Ngl I'm trying to figure out where the best place for me to move is but balancing fresh water access, family, cost of living, and future climate forecasts is difficult. The Great Lakes would be ideal, but cost of living and lack of family makes it a hard sell.
There's also the looming spectre of the Water Wars, American annexations, and my potential death in a drone strike as a "military age male in the vicinity of a military water convoy"
depends when "then" is. There could be a texas style grid issue during a major heat wave like, any year now, I feel, or a water crisis brought on by agricultural/golf course usage lol. Though being on a real, connected grid they will probably not be as fucked as TX, and they might crack down on non-human-life-supporting uses of water soon enough to skirt by on that one too (at least for the short term, if you're not homeless/poor/rural)
Sure, mortgages may not matter if society starts outright collapsing but I think it will progress slower than that and that the life threatening issues will start sooner than that.
It'll be like COVID: "That'll happen to someone else", and then when they're broiling to death the last words out of their mouth will be "This can't be happening to me!"
100% what I'm expecting. To the average hog climate change (if they even think it's real) is something that happens to the browns and poors, something they see on tv happening to others. Any preparations they make (again, if they even think climate change is real) will be stockpiling guns and ammo, dreaming about the time they can live out their apocalyptic dreams of indiscriminate murder.
Ah, that reminds me: since a lot of the areas that will be hit hard in the near future (Indonesia, Pakistan/India, the middle east) will be predominantly non-white, there'll also be a lot of evangelicals saying that all those people dying are receiving punishment from god, as we saw with Katrina and AIDS.
God climate change is a perfect storm that's bringing unimaginable pain and suffering, and of fucking course the people getting the worst of it are the ones that have been brutaly exploited for centuries and whose oppressors are the ones responsible for climate change in the first place
I really wonder when we'll see a mass exodus from the south west. What happens if a heat dome squats over Phoenix for a couple weeks?
I guess mass death for vulnerable people while everyone else blames the dead for not pulling their bootstraps and dying of heatstroke
I know like, probably more people than I can count on one hand, who've moved down there in the last 5 years (though some are more like snowbirds and don't stay all summer)
I said it then that they're gonna be out of groundwater and scorching in the sun like never before within like 10 years but nobody seems to care. I guess they assume they're well off enough to just leave. And they're right, but their finances will probably be wrecked if they have to keep paying a mortgage on a lot in uninhabitable wasteland.
Everyone assumes they'll be able to leave in time. I hope this isn't
but what happens 2 weeks into a 120° heat wave, planes are grounded, there are rolling blackouts due to an overstressed power grid, highways are clogged by vehicles full of people trying to escape, and what little state/federal "support" is basically declaring martial law and shooting people trying to get into a golf course to get at the water in the ponds?
when it comes to climate refugee stuff, I think the "normalcy" of so many climate controlled spaces and the availability of drinking water being so common gives people the false impression that depopulation due to climate change will be like it was with deindustrialization: slow, calculated, etc.
they don't recognize that capital is trying to maximize its value extraction right up until the moment when they dissolve organizations and electronically transfer out funds. they think someone will pull the alarm cord and there will be an exodus to a preplanned location in an orderly fashion.
they don't picture turning on the sink faucet and nothing potable coming out, driving to the Walmart and finding the shelves of water empty. preparing to get on the road to drive somewhere else, only to find the gas stations with 4 hour long lines and no guarantees.
I've tried to tell friends and family how important it is to get out of fragile places. I say, "when is the best time to leave? are the roads clear and gas stations open? then right now."
but people get comfortable in their routines and believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that someone in charge will tell them when it's time. they think leaving sometime in the unscheduled future will somehow be easier than the present.
Ngl I'm trying to figure out where the best place for me to move is but balancing fresh water access, family, cost of living, and future climate forecasts is difficult. The Great Lakes would be ideal, but cost of living and lack of family makes it a hard sell.
There's also the looming spectre of the Water Wars, American annexations, and my potential death in a drone strike as a "military age male in the vicinity of a military water convoy"
What if they just stop paying, the bank is just gonna repossess the lot in the uninhabitable wasteland
maybe i'm being way too optimistic with that, but i don't think people will take mortgages and pieces of paper that seriously then.
depends when "then" is. There could be a texas style grid issue during a major heat wave like, any year now, I feel, or a water crisis brought on by agricultural/golf course usage lol. Though being on a real, connected grid they will probably not be as fucked as TX, and they might crack down on non-human-life-supporting uses of water soon enough to skirt by on that one too (at least for the short term, if you're not homeless/poor/rural)
Sure, mortgages may not matter if society starts outright collapsing but I think it will progress slower than that and that the life threatening issues will start sooner than that.
It'll be like COVID: "That'll happen to someone else", and then when they're broiling to death the last words out of their mouth will be "This can't be happening to me!"
100% what I'm expecting. To the average hog climate change (if they even think it's real) is something that happens to the browns and poors, something they see on tv happening to others. Any preparations they make (again, if they even think climate change is real) will be stockpiling guns and ammo, dreaming about the time they can live out their apocalyptic dreams of indiscriminate murder.
Ah, that reminds me: since a lot of the areas that will be hit hard in the near future (Indonesia, Pakistan/India, the middle east) will be predominantly non-white, there'll also be a lot of evangelicals saying that all those people dying are receiving punishment from god, as we saw with Katrina and AIDS.
God climate change is a perfect storm that's bringing unimaginable pain and suffering, and of fucking course the people getting the worst of it are the ones that have been brutaly exploited for centuries and whose oppressors are the ones responsible for climate change in the first place