Religion is the opium of the masses.
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Religion is the opium of the masses.
Oil-rich monarchy: "We are the guardians of Mecca and Medina, anyway no AC for you if you don't pay us registration fees, also we only give annual permits equal to 5% of our country's population"
OP: "Haha religion, amirite?"
Religion is the opium of the masses.
Yeah what the FUCK is the OP trying to do with the New Atheist level bullshit? It should honestly be reported for low-key racism.
Religion is the opium of the masses.
are you implying these 1301 people brought this on themselves by following their religion? dont know why you would need to quote this and not instead quote some part of Marx where he rails against ecological destruction and the plundering of the Earth by capital
forgive the doomerism but the climate thing will fuck everyone so hard and theres no light at the end of the tunnel on this one.
we are ignoring all the ways to prevent it and we came up with no way to reverse it. its gonna get worse and worse and worse until humanity can't survive anymore isnt it?
Humans are more resilient than rats, there will always be some of us around in the northern latitudes at least. Hard to say what shape civilization will be in though. I don't think there is enough easily-accessible oil to restart development if things regress past the industrial revolution.
We've never experienced scarcity at the global level like we are about to face (at least since the Ice Age anyway). Humanity's response will be the true horror of the climate crisis. Just look at how Europe reacted to the Syrian refugee crisis and how the US is panicking now over migrants at the border. These numbers are not even a trickle of what is to come when the Global South can no longer produce enough food to sustain itself. We've seeing firsthand just how easily the populace can be whipped up into a frenzy of xenophobia and readily promote violence as an acceptable solution. Now ramp that up by several orders of magnitude.
okay sure, but even if everything you say is true that doesn't reduce the human population to a few billionaires in a bunker
Oh, I never suggested that. Livability on this planet will be very unevenly distributed and those who can hoard resources will protect it at all costs. But yeah, we are nearly impossible to kill off completely. Language, planning and writing are the big game changers that give us a leg up on past species that faced extinction events. I don't think even nuclear war or a meteor strike will fully wipe out humanity at this point.
I don't think even nuclear war or a meteor strike will fully wipe out humanity at this point.
Even Threads, as depressing as it is, doesn't show humanity completely destroyed by global nuclear war. Just reduced to a level of base violence and brutality and misery that most of us would wish we were dead
i can envision a few billionaires fortifying themselves in the last habitable zones and the rest of us dying a fiery death, yes.
it sure is looking like it will be to me.
crazy unforeseen rain literally just destroyed one entire state here, while mine is predicted to kill people from thrist. and thats just the very start.
no way we can fit people on the few habitable places that will be left without quite a bunch of fiery death.
Not directly no, but when shit really hits the fan and nations start invading each other for water then the odds of nukes flying skyrockets
I really wonder when we'll see a mass exodus from the south west. What happens if a heat dome squats over Phoenix for a couple weeks?
I guess mass death for vulnerable people while everyone else blames the dead for not pulling their bootstraps and dying of heatstroke
I know like, probably more people than I can count on one hand, who've moved down there in the last 5 years (though some are more like snowbirds and don't stay all summer)
I said it then that they're gonna be out of groundwater and scorching in the sun like never before within like 10 years but nobody seems to care. I guess they assume they're well off enough to just leave. And they're right, but their finances will probably be wrecked if they have to keep paying a mortgage on a lot in uninhabitable wasteland.
Everyone assumes they'll be able to leave in time. I hope this isn't
but what happens 2 weeks into a 120° heat wave, planes are grounded, there are rolling blackouts due to an overstressed power grid, highways are clogged by vehicles full of people trying to escape, and what little state/federal "support" is basically declaring martial law and shooting people trying to get into a golf course to get at the water in the ponds?when it comes to climate refugee stuff, I think the "normalcy" of so many climate controlled spaces and the availability of drinking water being so common gives people the false impression that depopulation due to climate change will be like it was with deindustrialization: slow, calculated, etc.
they don't recognize that capital is trying to maximize its value extraction right up until the moment when they dissolve organizations and electronically transfer out funds. they think someone will pull the alarm cord and there will be an exodus to a preplanned location in an orderly fashion.
they don't picture turning on the sink faucet and nothing potable coming out, driving to the Walmart and finding the shelves of water empty. preparing to get on the road to drive somewhere else, only to find the gas stations with 4 hour long lines and no guarantees.
I've tried to tell friends and family how important it is to get out of fragile places. I say, "when is the best time to leave? are the roads clear and gas stations open? then right now."
but people get comfortable in their routines and believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that someone in charge will tell them when it's time. they think leaving sometime in the unscheduled future will somehow be easier than the present.
Ngl I'm trying to figure out where the best place for me to move is but balancing fresh water access, family, cost of living, and future climate forecasts is difficult. The Great Lakes would be ideal, but cost of living and lack of family makes it a hard sell.
There's also the looming spectre of the Water Wars, American annexations, and my potential death in a drone strike as a "military age male in the vicinity of a military water convoy"
they have to keep paying a mortgage on a lot in uninhabitable wasteland.
What if they just stop paying, the bank is just gonna repossess the lot in the uninhabitable wasteland
maybe i'm being way too optimistic with that, but i don't think people will take mortgages and pieces of paper that seriously then.
depends when "then" is. There could be a texas style grid issue during a major heat wave like, any year now, I feel, or a water crisis brought on by agricultural/golf course usage lol. Though being on a real, connected grid they will probably not be as fucked as TX, and they might crack down on non-human-life-supporting uses of water soon enough to skirt by on that one too (at least for the short term, if you're not homeless/poor/rural)
Sure, mortgages may not matter if society starts outright collapsing but I think it will progress slower than that and that the life threatening issues will start sooner than that.
It'll be like COVID: "That'll happen to someone else", and then when they're broiling to death the last words out of their mouth will be "This can't be happening to me!"
100% what I'm expecting. To the average hog climate change (if they even think it's real) is something that happens to the browns and poors, something they see on tv happening to others. Any preparations they make (again, if they even think climate change is real) will be stockpiling guns and ammo, dreaming about the time they can live out their apocalyptic dreams of indiscriminate murder.
Ah, that reminds me: since a lot of the areas that will be hit hard in the near future (Indonesia, Pakistan/India, the middle east) will be predominantly non-white, there'll also be a lot of evangelicals saying that all those people dying are receiving punishment from god, as we saw with Katrina and AIDS.
God climate change is a perfect storm that's bringing unimaginable pain and suffering, and of fucking course the people getting the worst of it are the ones that have been brutaly exploited for centuries and whose oppressors are the ones responsible for climate change in the first place
No. Collective efforts shaped this planet and we will do it again when the danger presents in a way that can no longer be ignored.
can it be reshaped after being ruined though? we don't actually know if this is even possible at all with human technology.
sure flora can be preserved by freezing the seeds or whatever, but what about the rest? how can anything grow on a scorched planet?
Valid question, but worse has happened to the planet before, and that was without us around. Capitalism has lead us to snub our hopes and dreams, but it was these things that created the wonders of our sciences and brought us to project ourselves into the stars. Where there's a will, there's a way.
i mean yeah but we werent around to die when the planet was a smouldering ball of magma. and i doubt we would be able to do anything about it either if we were around
Every turn of human history has resulted in mass death of often catastrophic proportions, and that sucks and it's depressing. The point is, we feel dis-empowered by a behemoth system because we're told stories about how individual actions (think great man of history narratives, individualism as a culture, etc.) are the only solution, when the reality of history is that mass movements produce results. Necessity is the mother of all innovation, and the heat will soon produce conditions that make business as usual stop in it's tracks - capitalism cannot escape this. Heck, if people are having heat stroke in Mecca, soon US imperial forces will start suffering mass heat casualties as well. If the US military can't function, well there goes one of the largest polluters on the planet!
Climate change is a fuck. We are getting closer to a global wet bulb event by the day
This has more to do with scammers and corrupt officials giving cheap but inadequates travel conditions to people on Hajj than any religious reasons.
There are a lot of people from Egypt among the casualties, which probably shows the economic conditions of the country
Seeing the effects of climate change brought on by capitalism killing people, and going "
They were religious, checkmate magicskyfairy!"New atheism is just rebranded Calvinism regardless of the rational twist you put in it
At this point Islamic scholars really need to start asking if there really is massive religious significance in doing the Hajj all in one week, if it puts people's lives in danger. Aren't you allowed to consume pork if it saves your life, for example? Something similar should happen here.
Oh yeah and of course it's very possible that it doesn't matter and Saudi Arabia is just an evil state, that too.
"Religion is the opium of the masses."
I'll leave it at that, because anything else I could say to you would result in me landing a ban.
