The theory is basically that a faction of the CIA/deep state set up Nixon because they disagreed with his operating a foreign policy that was independent of them.
Nixon being Nixon is probably why. You oust the raving alcoholic vendetta obsessive and people will dismiss the inevitable grumbling as just Nixon being Nixon. He could have gone full "blame the CIA with receipts" route and people would have just sighed and said "golly, Nixon sure is being Nixon today."
That seems more plausible to me than the CIA directly and solely being responsible for killing JFK tbh. They’re bureaucratic and patriot-brained enough to “respect” domestic institutions which is why their black sites are off US soil, but domestic covert political ops are less insidious compared to assassinations
That seems more plausible to me than the CIA directly and solely being responsible for killing JFK tbh
You have to understand, when a lot of deep politics people talk about this stuff, when they say the "CIA" did something, they don't necessarily mean the literal organization. Factions of the intelligence services or the military have people trained in covert action who are capable of fulfilling multiple roles at once, and those people can have connections to other factions of the bourgeoisie or organized crime. In this sense, the CIA is not so much simply an intelligence agency, but a nexus for an organized crime network that operates in the service of the (primarily American) bourgeoisie.
This network is especially good at messing with the internal politics of countries in various ways, in order to manufacture an outcome that best serves the interests of capital.
They’re bureaucratic and patriot-brained enough to “respect” domestic institutions
No, they absolutely are not. We know what these people were like in the 60s at least, and they were utter psychos.
It's not thay they "respect domestic institutions." It's just a hell of a lot easier to avoid consequences when you only have to worry about being in the jurisdiction of the international court.
I don’t believe they were the only players nor do I believe the multiple gunmen theory. I do think Oswald was a patsy, but he still pulled the trigger.
I typed up a transcript of this and posted it on /r/cth once upon a time, but I heard a detailed and very believable story about the CIA's possible involvement, told by the usually silent producer at the end of an episode of Dr Gameshow, just on a weird tangent as he was saying goodbye to the hosts because he was moving to Alaska. The basic overview, iirc, was that his dad was a sharpshooter amongst other interesting skills, and he had a lot of same time, same place overlaps with Oswald, and he was also doing some work with some Cubans?
I might still have it buried in a folder somewhere on my laptop.
The theory is basically that a faction of the CIA/deep state set up Nixon because they disagreed with his operating a foreign policy that was independent of them.
At least they toned it down on the second go around.
Nixon being Nixon is probably why. You oust the raving alcoholic vendetta obsessive and people will dismiss the inevitable grumbling as just Nixon being Nixon. He could have gone full "blame the CIA with receipts" route and people would have just sighed and said "golly, Nixon sure is being Nixon today."
That is true. I still need to watch Secret Honor that Matt recommended
That seems more plausible to me than the CIA directly and solely being responsible for killing JFK tbh. They’re bureaucratic and patriot-brained enough to “respect” domestic institutions which is why their black sites are off US soil, but domestic covert political ops are less insidious compared to assassinations
You have to understand, when a lot of deep politics people talk about this stuff, when they say the "CIA" did something, they don't necessarily mean the literal organization. Factions of the intelligence services or the military have people trained in covert action who are capable of fulfilling multiple roles at once, and those people can have connections to other factions of the bourgeoisie or organized crime. In this sense, the CIA is not so much simply an intelligence agency, but a nexus for an organized crime network that operates in the service of the (primarily American) bourgeoisie.
This network is especially good at messing with the internal politics of countries in various ways, in order to manufacture an outcome that best serves the interests of capital.
No, they absolutely are not. We know what these people were like in the 60s at least, and they were utter psychos.
well "the CIA directly and solely" whacked JFK is a very reductive description of what probably happened. it's like saying "bush did 9/11"
It's not thay they "respect domestic institutions." It's just a hell of a lot easier to avoid consequences when you only have to worry about being in the jurisdiction of the international court.
In other words... don't shit where you eat.
You don't think the CIA was directly involved with JFK?
I don’t believe they were the only players nor do I believe the multiple gunmen theory. I do think Oswald was a patsy, but he still pulled the trigger.
Well yes, they coordinated with the Mafia. The facts around Oswald are too odd for me.
I typed up a transcript of this and posted it on /r/cth once upon a time, but I heard a detailed and very believable story about the CIA's possible involvement, told by the usually silent producer at the end of an episode of Dr Gameshow, just on a weird tangent as he was saying goodbye to the hosts because he was moving to Alaska. The basic overview, iirc, was that his dad was a sharpshooter amongst other interesting skills, and he had a lot of same time, same place overlaps with Oswald, and he was also doing some work with some Cubans?
I might still have it buried in a folder somewhere on my laptop.
Just to be clear I 100% think the CIA killed JFK