I watched the entire video, but I timestamped the link to where I believe it matters most for any comrade that ever liked Star Trek, liberal idealistic and quasi-militaristic flaws and all, and would like to see a succinct and thorough summary of what they might have already felt, may have already inductively collected for themselves, but got it drowned out by "well the TNG gang got together by the end of Picard Season 3 so just enjoy it like a popcorn movie, 4/5" or even worse brainworms like "section 31 is based and it's just cold hard reality that such an agency would have to exist for the Federation to exist, just like in based Deep Space 9 which was totally about wars and genocidal biowarfare plots and how cool and necessary they are."

The Trek fandom site in the Lemmyverse is loaded with insufferable liberal/libertarian brainworms and a fair amount of Thermian Arguments that justify anything that was presented on screen as not only good, but necessary if they were done by protagonist characters, and not just the flaws, weaknesses, and (for lack of a better term) sins of characters that weren't intended to be infallible, let alone blindly emulated, no matter how cool it was when Sisko punched Q or whatever.

TL;DR: I hope comrades find value in this concluding section of a much larger video, or maybe even watch the whole thing, which I also think is worthwhile. Also, I fucking despise Section 31 apologists because they make the Lemmyverse's Trek site unbearable for me. If Kurtzman gets his way (especially with that Section 31 series he keeps jerking off about), Trek will become increasingly murderfucky gory edgy black ops obsessed bootlicking schlock with a vague and redundant nostalgia flavor.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    27 days ago

    Double replying but whatevs - i think the "too each their own" thing, people don't have enough outside referrents to discuss media. All the star wars and marvel and bat slop are all made by JJ, Gunn, and like four other dudes so all the stories they've seen for the last ten years are the same man children telling the same stories the same way with the same actors. All that changes is how saturated the colors in the sweat-shop forced labor last minute cgi is.

    You have to have seen some kurasawa movies and some wwii battlefield footage to appreciate and discus Star Wars and those who disagree can take a number, i an currently fighting the prior wrong person and will be with you shortly. You can't talk about why star wars ships do that if you haven't seen gun pod footage from the battle of midway. You can't talk about lightsaber fights (forms, barf) if you haven't got at least some idea that samurai cinema exists.

    And people don't. Their whole life they've been trapped in this world where since harry potter came out in 1997 every media product is part of an all fronts scorched earth campaign to take all of your attention all the time every day.

    Star wars began the great work, hp completed it, and now every media project at least aspires to be a 24 hour all encompassing life style of food, clothing, cars, artifacts, apps. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of pages analyzing how often apps and ads should interact with your customers per hour based on their age, gender, etc. You're not supposed to go outside. Each group of media products is supposed to be a walled garden that is at least capable of being some people's entire living experience outside work hours. And, like, yeah, i'm exaggerating, but the combined effect of all these enshittifying products trying to take all your attention all the time, is they're undergoing fierce evolutionary selection leading to convergence on a few forms, meaning people live in these horrible frankenstein prison's stitched together from the rotting flesh of whatever media property group manages to grab their attention. They go from marvel to dcto star wars to potter to gambo to whatever, and it's all the same plots presented the same ways by the same writers, actors, and show runners reinforcing the same messages, just this horrifying cybernetic hell cave out of plato's most derranged dying multiversal ayahuascu death nightmare. The cave is inside us, around us, everywhere. There is no end to the cave. If you go outside the cave you only see yourself staring back. You cannot escape the cave. The cave is all. The cave loves you. Look at the shadows on the wall, consume, be upset in the ways the cave wants you to be upset so you buy more cave shit to assauge the case upset the cave caused you so it could sell you cave theme'd anti-cave upset cave products cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave!

    I'ma. Little concerned that my covid lead to an opportunistic strep infection actually...

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      26 days ago

      Double replying but whatevs - i think the "too each their own" thing, people don't have enough outside referrents to discuss media. All the star wars and marvel and bat slop are all made by JJ, Gunn, and like four other dudes so all the stories they've seen for the last ten years are the same man children telling the same stories the same way with the same actors. All that changes is how saturated the colors in the sweat-shop forced labor last minute cgi is.

      I used to call this "Baytification." I know it probably didn't start with Michael Bay, but there's still a mostly Gen-X rich bored asshole demographic that tends to get nostalgia IPs dropped into their laps and then they decide to "give it a shot in the arm" and "reimagine it" by turning their uninspired crude imitative fanfiction into "canon."

      The most cursed treats timeline I can think of would be one where "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality" was somehow canonized in such a way. yud-rational

      You have to have seen some kurasawa movies and some wwii battlefield footage to appreciate and discus Star Wars and those who disagree can take a number, i an currently fighting the prior wrong person and will be with you shortly. You can't talk about why star wars ships do that if you haven't seen gun pod footage from the battle of midway. You can't talk about lightsaber fights (forms, barf) if you haven't got at least some idea that samurai cinema exists.

      miyazaki-pain had a rant summarized as "anime was a mistake" that was actually about copy of a copy syndrome, which I've talked about with you recently before (while mixing up the Miyazakis, my bad)

      And people don't. Their whole life they've been trapped in this world where since harry potter came out in 1997 every media product is part of an all fronts scorched earth campaign to take all of your attention all the time every day.

      I feel this so bad. It's easier now that I'm in a more remote, older, and dare I say more rural area, but before I moved out of CA, many people around me were out and out treat hogs and they needed me to also be a treat hog and get excited about the next product because it has NOSTALGIA CHARACTER and that NOSTALGIA CHARACTER gets TORN APART IN A GORY WAY OMG SO SUBVERSIVE AND EPIC. Ever meet a NuTrek enjoyer offline? There aren't many, I think, but those that existed were definitely concentrated in my area. Icheb's death scene was talked about just as excitedly as "DAE LE RED WEDDING" and "DAE LE SHAME." Bored lanyard liberals crave human suffering on their screens.

      And, like, yeah, i'm exaggerating, but the combined effect of all these enshittifying products trying to take all your attention all the time, is they're undergoing fierce evolutionary selection leading to convergence on a few forms, meaning people live in these horrible frankenstein prison's stitched together from the rotting flesh of whatever media property group manages to grab their attention. They go from marvel to dcto star wars to potter to gambo to whatever, and it's all the same plots presented the same ways by the same writers, actors, and show runners reinforcing the same messages, just this horrifying cybernetic hell cave out of plato's most derranged dying multiversal ayahuascu death nightmare. The cave is inside us, around us, everywhere. There is no end to the cave. If you go outside the cave you only see yourself staring back. You cannot escape the cave. The cave is all. The cave loves you. Look at the shadows on the wall, consume, be upset in the ways the cave wants you to be upset so you buy more cave shit to assauge the case upset the cave caused you so it could sell you cave theme'd anti-cave upset cave products cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave!

      Yeah, fuck Multiversus. rust-darkness

      I'ma. Little concerned that my covid lead to an opportunistic strep infection actually...

      On the upside, you had the most immersive Disco Elysium experience I can think of. kitsuragi-dance