They were running against a batshit insane senile cheeto and couldn't win the election anyway. They refused to go left, they collaborate with devils like the cheneys and when we pointed out the writing on the wall, we were met with "russian disinformation farms" and "tankies" for having a fucking brain and seeing that moving right will not make racist sexist republicans vote for a black woman. And lo and behold, 94% of republicans voted for trump, FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. The only fucking reason Kamala didn't run on being progressive was because at the end of the day, there's no "lesser evil," and we've all been saying this for fucking ever, the democrats are genocidal capitalist ghouls, and they will support america's interests no matter how much blood is spilled and no matter how many people get stomped on by bigots controlling the white house, the senate, the supreme court (which the democrats just let get stocked with republicans) and probably the house too. And they don't care. "Just give us money and make sure to vote blue next election" before they slink off into the darkness and begin their political pickpocketing two years from now. FUCK, now queer and genderqueer and bipoc people in america have to live with the republicans doing whatever they want for the next four years because GOD FORBID THE DEMOCRATS LISTEN TO A SINGLE FUCKING HING THEIR CONSTITUENTS SAY INSTEAD OF PLUGGING THEIR EARS AND SCREAMING "VOTE!"
i hate it here. every one of you redditors that posted shit like "i'm on the right side of history" while you refuse to leverage your one single fucking scrap of political power in this shitty dictatorship. fuck lemmy.world, fuck reddit, fuck libs for soypogging for kamala's campaign and not using their eyes to see that there's no difference in the end, the ghouls are ghouls.
I really get your anger, i hate the Dems too. I don't get your worry at Trump's win though, you know as well as i do the fearmongering the DNC tried to whip up is mostly projection and grift. "Under trump", the only thing that may fundamentally change is the coverage of the direction the govt is galloping towards no matter who's in office.
As much as we clown on
Trump was worse when it comes to drone strikes.
There is an almost reflexive urge to downplay Trump around here, he is the one that set the course of heightened tensions with Iran, provided steadfast support for the Saudis war in Yemen and that moved the embassy to Jerusalem. He isn’t going to be good for the Middle East, hopefully the Ukrainian meat grinder will stop though.
You're right, i have the urge myself but it's that dagum DNC stretching credulity of his evil to a breaking point. Gonna be some snappin' back coming from here of all places. I didn't know Trump brought down the king of drones
The only other bit that is different is that Trump reeeally riles up the hogs, and vulnerable folks are more likely to face stochastic violence
As I understand it, Trump and Harris appeal to different strata of the bourgeoisie, so I feel like they will differ somewhat in other ways as well. The scope of these differences is obviously limited, but it's not nonexistent.
Pretty much; he emboldened the shit out of hate groups and far-right cranks, and there's no putting the lid back on that Pandora's box. Material conditions getting measurably worse under Biden sure as fuck didn't help either, but CHUD analysis doesn't really extend beyond "blue team bad."
if you're white it doesn't matter, sure. but racism is still a real thing, and rhetoric makes its way to material conditions.
Not challenging you; actually curious to know: was violence against vulnerable folks measurably higher under trump than during bidens term? I'll look after i hit send, dunno what terms will find me that info tho
Look up hate crime stats. There are plenty of articles about hate crimes increasing after Trump's first win. I'll never understand why leftists downplay Trump and his impact.
I just got back from searching DOJ and FBI statistics pages over Trump's and bidens terms and see a steady year-over-year increase of hair crime statistics. According to that data there was no real difference in the increase each year, looking at trumps 4 and the 4 following years.
From a trans violence specific page i saw a "record" number of trans deaths, (37) in 2020. 2023 statistics? 37 more trans deaths
Yeah but did you accout for all the peaceful protests against genocide being counted as antisemitic hate crimes?
oh ffs
Lololol but of course
.... My data is from before Oct 7 as 2024 isn't finished and those statistics aren't available (that i can easily find)
Yes, it's almost like trump winning the first time around made things worse and then those people who became more radicalized didn't just vanish when trump lost round 2
Look friend we're just talking here right? This aint .world. I'm saying regular shit we all accept right?
Biden and the Dems only pretend to help the disadvantaged but in effect do less than nothing to protect them, preferring to cozy up to money in every case and sense.
If Trump's presidency had an effect it would be in the data, but my (quick) analysis is that it does not, rather showing simply the deteriorating material conditions of the timeframe. I am more than ready to be presented with facts to the contrary, we aren't arguing, at all
From 2008/2009 until 2015/2016, hate crimes in the US were trending down. From 2016 until today, they have trended up. To me, the best explanation for this is the rightwing radicalization (and empowerment of the already radicalized) of many by the first trump campaign and subsequent presidency.
Outside of hate crimes, we can also see general increases in rightwing violence during this same period (at least according to the feds, not sure that we should even trust any of this data). I'm not saying electing a Dem fixes anything, I'm saying Trump being elected makes it worse because the people doing the hate crimes feel empowered.
Obama being elected also made it worse, but because the racists felt attacked by the very idea of a black person being prez and were reacting to that, which is why it slowly died down over time. Trump is still here and still actively engaging his base, he never stopped so the radicalization didn't stop either.
Yes, ok I see your point. I agree with you.
It's just talk to you but it's a more delicate subject to others.
Your quick analysis literally shows an increase in hate crime stats starting from 2016. Right wing radicalization incited by Trump's rhetoric didn't go anywhere just because Democrats won something.
Hee heee! Now i gotta leave it
"proud boys" and "patriot front" regularly drove into [my city] to pick fights with anyone they thought looked weak and lefty, especially trans folk. they did "trump cruise" truck parades and shot paintballs from their windows at passers by. the fash get extremely emboldened when their guy is in office. he is a danger and his status as president gives these groups the "permission" they need to continue their violence. it is real.
I'm sorry, yeah I've been quite privileged never having been exposed to that shit, saltine shaped and large citied, that i am. I defer to your experience and wish a merry 'die' in their direction.
Oh, I forgot about those. Those were annoying
i am nervous that policy may be altered under a congress white house and supreme court stacked with republicans who historically implement anti-queer policies (see florida) that negatively affects me, my friends, my comrades, and my peers. it's not an unreasonable worry that, given the opportunity, laws may be passed that curtail the rights of queer people in america
this is the main thing that im worried about, specifically a federal ban on gender marker changes, a federal requirement to out trans and gay kids in schools, or a likely unsuccessful attempt at an hrt ban.
also afraid that bigots might be emboldened, but sounds like the stats say theyve always been emboldened since 2016.
No, of course not. I hope it doesn't seem as if I'm flippant about the situation we're in, it that I'm not worried for my brown and more obviously queer comrades. My point is (if i got one) that what I've learned in my time here is that tuesday wasn't some form in the road or wrong turn we just made (like the prevalent meme) but rather a on-way track we have been locked-in to, with no (electoral) outlet, this whole time.
While the outcome of the election might be shocking, thinking kamala's winning might have changed our world much? doesn't fit what i see in that data, or from news posts and comrades live's posted on hexbear.