It's primarily circumcised fathers who drive the cycle of abuse. To leave their son intact would be a tacit admission that they were robbed of something valuable, and that their parents did something horrific to them. This puts up a huge psychological barrier which makes it easier to simply cut their child and move on like nothing's wrong. It also doesn't help that men's ego's are strongly linked to their genitalia.
I've talked to couples who are parents that said they circumsized their son just because they didn't want their son to ask why their dick looked different from dad's, and men who said they'll circumsize their future sons just because they're circumsized. But I'm not circumsized, and when my relationship with my girlfriend became more "serious" we sort of talked about having kids. And she said it would be up to my whether we would circumsize any of our sons or not, and I was just like "it's not my penis, I'll let them do whatever they want with it but I won't make the decision to cut anything off".
they didn’t want their son to ask why their dick looked different
This is the result of the brain thinking (all subconsciously, of course) "I don't want to contemplate how my son's dick is different" and translating it to sound like it's for their son's benefit.
Yeah one of the couples I'm thinking of had already had their first son circumsized and had talked about how much he screamed during the process, and they were justifying why they would have their second son circumsized as well.
Let's be clear that not all fathers who circumcised their sons are driving a cycle of abuse. Especially not that long ago when it was just viewed as a normal thing many people did. These parents simply didn't know better. They weren't abusing their kids. They didn't do it based on ego. It was just something you did with newborns.
I do sympathize with parents who didn't know better, including my loving parents. The medical establishment is to blame. Nobody who chooses circumcision thinks they are abusing their son, nor are they criminally negligent. But I can't say that someone who circumcises their son isn't technically continuing the cycle. Also, sorry to hear about your son.
That's the thing. A lot of parents didn't do it for aesthetic reasons. They thought it was healthier. This is what I mean when I say people are extreme about it. You're being completely hostile about it. The reality is it's an unnecessary practice we should stop doing but it doesn't negativity affect the lives of the vast majority of people it's done to. Implying that every circumcised male in history was abused by their parents is ludicrous.
mutilating your child's genitals because you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about it is also abuse
imagine making this argument for literally any other form of abuse. hell, even any other form of mutilation. oh, yeah, i cut off the baby's earlobes because, uhh ... i get cysts in mine sometimes and thats kinda scary. earlobes must be bad.
and yes, im being hostile. we should be hostile toward INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION and those who support it.
But you're being hostile to somebody who doesn't support it.
It's not that parents couldn't be bothered to inform themselves. They were given the wrong information. Though it is factually correct that it's more hygienic.
I would argue that missing earlobes has a more profound effect on a person than missing foreskin.
But you’re being hostile to somebody who doesn’t support it.
then why are you supporting it right now? downplaying its severity, going "its not so bad, you guys are overreacting" that shit is supporting it. if you dont support INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION then stop supporting it. you can't say you don't support it and then go around supporting it
It’s not that parents couldn’t be bothered to inform themselves.
yes it is
They were given the wrong information.
I'm given wrong information about things all the time, and so are you. Hopefully you don't just believe the first thing you're told and refuse to ever look into it, especially if you're planning to MUTILATE ANOTHER PERSON'S GENITALS.
Though it is factually correct that it’s more hygienic.
no it isnt you fucking genital mutilation advocating goddamn freak. fuck you
you literally called me a foreskin obsessed psychopath for being too upset that INFANTS GENITALS ARE BEING MUTILATED. go fuck yourself. you dont get to act like you didn't go mask off in support of infant genital mutilation. post hog, and log off
I called you that because you're behaving like a psychopath. I didn't go "mask off in favor of genital mutilation" I literally said we shouldn't fucking do it. You should probably log off until you've calmed down.
I logged off, went to sleep. Came back. You're still a genital mutilation supporting chud who calls victims of abuse psychopaths for being upset that this abuse is widespread and normalized by people like you.
I think you should be banned, and I'm sad to see that you're not already. If a chud came in here and said this kind of shit about any other form of abuse they would have been banned instantly.
I shouldn't have called you a foreskin obsessed psychopath. I was pissed off because you were being way too rude to me, which was my whole point to begin with.
I don't support genital mutilation no matter how many times you say it. I'm not a chud no matter how many times you say it. That's why I'm not banned. You crossed the line before I did. Luckily we don't ban people because Amorphous doesn't think they're mad enough about circumcision.
We have different opinions. Let's just leave it at that.
Luckily we don’t ban people because Amorphous doesn’t think they’re mad enough about circumcision.
there's a difference between not being mad about something, and being mad that other people are mad about something. if you are mad that other people are mad about something, you are supporting that thing. go fuck yourself
and using the medical term for genital mutilation is yet another way of downplaying how bad it is, which, yes, downplaying how bad something is is a way of supporting it
There's a difference between being mad other people are mad about something and saying you think some people are too extreme. You're not being reasonable so I'm not going to continue this tactless conversation, and I mean that in regards to us both. Have a good day.
Yeah, this is bullshit. My sister, among others, mutilated both her sons because she thinks intact members look "gross." I have heard similar sentiments, and their ensuing mutilations, from women in similar demos.
I didn't say that women don't participate in the genital cutting culture. Men are just more likely to give strong pushback to criticism of the practice because it's more personal. It also happens to be that almost all of the medical authorities and researchers responsible for endorsing and promoting circumcision are circumcised men, and they bear the most blame.
No, you just claimed that men hold the reins. This was almost certainly true once. At least in the U.S., not anymore - male mutilation has become a cultural issue as the “scientific” basis is questioned and the absolute rate drops. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/circumcision_2013/circumcision_2013.pdf
Men are just more likely to give strong pushback to criticism of the practice because it’s more personal
Do you have any sources for that argument? Or just an assertion about their psychosexual rationalizations?
It also happens to be that almost all of the medical authorities and researchers responsible for endorsing and promoting circumcision are circumcised men
Do you know that? Or do you just infer that they’re cut?
it's fucked up, and there's definitely some creepy psychology behind parents still doing it to their kids
It's primarily circumcised fathers who drive the cycle of abuse. To leave their son intact would be a tacit admission that they were robbed of something valuable, and that their parents did something horrific to them. This puts up a huge psychological barrier which makes it easier to simply cut their child and move on like nothing's wrong. It also doesn't help that men's ego's are strongly linked to their genitalia.
I've talked to couples who are parents that said they circumsized their son just because they didn't want their son to ask why their dick looked different from dad's, and men who said they'll circumsize their future sons just because they're circumsized. But I'm not circumsized, and when my relationship with my girlfriend became more "serious" we sort of talked about having kids. And she said it would be up to my whether we would circumsize any of our sons or not, and I was just like "it's not my penis, I'll let them do whatever they want with it but I won't make the decision to cut anything off".
This is the result of the brain thinking (all subconsciously, of course) "I don't want to contemplate how my son's dick is different" and translating it to sound like it's for their son's benefit.
Yeah one of the couples I'm thinking of had already had their first son circumsized and had talked about how much he screamed during the process, and they were justifying why they would have their second son circumsized as well.
Let's be clear that not all fathers who circumcised their sons are driving a cycle of abuse. Especially not that long ago when it was just viewed as a normal thing many people did. These parents simply didn't know better. They weren't abusing their kids. They didn't do it based on ego. It was just something you did with newborns.
I do sympathize with parents who didn't know better, including my loving parents. The medical establishment is to blame. Nobody who chooses circumcision thinks they are abusing their son, nor are they criminally negligent. But I can't say that someone who circumcises their son isn't technically continuing the cycle. Also, sorry to hear about your son.
Lol I don't have kids and I'm not planning to. Just think people on here get a little extreme about the whole circumcision thing.
i would hope people would be "a little extreme" about widespread, normalized infant genital mutilation
you are the weird one for not being upset about it
I didn't say anyone was weird. That's just my opinion.
It's because of the obsessive epiphany.
Abuse is still abuse even if it's normal and even if you don't think it's abuse.
Just because you think it's abuse doesn't mean it is.
mutilating your child's genitals without anesthetic for cosmetic reasons is abuse. if you disagree with that you're fucking wrong.
That's the thing. A lot of parents didn't do it for aesthetic reasons. They thought it was healthier. This is what I mean when I say people are extreme about it. You're being completely hostile about it. The reality is it's an unnecessary practice we should stop doing but it doesn't negativity affect the lives of the vast majority of people it's done to. Implying that every circumcised male in history was abused by their parents is ludicrous.
mutilating your child's genitals because you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about it is also abuse
imagine making this argument for literally any other form of abuse. hell, even any other form of mutilation. oh, yeah, i cut off the baby's earlobes because, uhh ... i get cysts in mine sometimes and thats kinda scary. earlobes must be bad.
and yes, im being hostile. we should be hostile toward INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION and those who support it.
But you're being hostile to somebody who doesn't support it.
It's not that parents couldn't be bothered to inform themselves. They were given the wrong information. Though it is factually correct that it's more hygienic.
I would argue that missing earlobes has a more profound effect on a person than missing foreskin.
then why are you supporting it right now? downplaying its severity, going "its not so bad, you guys are overreacting" that shit is supporting it. if you dont support INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION then stop supporting it. you can't say you don't support it and then go around supporting it
yes it is
I'm given wrong information about things all the time, and so are you. Hopefully you don't just believe the first thing you're told and refuse to ever look into it, especially if you're planning to MUTILATE ANOTHER PERSON'S GENITALS.
no it isnt you fucking genital mutilation advocating goddamn freak. fuck you
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imagine acting like this toward any other victim of abuse. "fuck you, you consent obsessed psychopath!"
eat shit, you goddamn chud. go fuck yourself
No you had that shit coming asshole. Your behavior is completely over the line.
post hog, and then log off forever. you are a chud. you are no comrade of mine. genuinely, eat shit.
Sorry you feel that way. I'm going to keep fighting for my beliefs whether you're with me or not.
post hog
You post yours
im not the one supporting infant genital mutilation you piece of shit
Neither am I.
you literally called me a foreskin obsessed psychopath for being too upset that INFANTS GENITALS ARE BEING MUTILATED. go fuck yourself. you dont get to act like you didn't go mask off in support of infant genital mutilation. post hog, and log off
I called you that because you're behaving like a psychopath. I didn't go "mask off in favor of genital mutilation" I literally said we shouldn't fucking do it. You should probably log off until you've calmed down.
I logged off, went to sleep. Came back. You're still a genital mutilation supporting chud who calls victims of abuse psychopaths for being upset that this abuse is widespread and normalized by people like you.
I think you should be banned, and I'm sad to see that you're not already. If a chud came in here and said this kind of shit about any other form of abuse they would have been banned instantly.
I shouldn't have called you a foreskin obsessed psychopath. I was pissed off because you were being way too rude to me, which was my whole point to begin with.
I don't support genital mutilation no matter how many times you say it. I'm not a chud no matter how many times you say it. That's why I'm not banned. You crossed the line before I did. Luckily we don't ban people because Amorphous doesn't think they're mad enough about circumcision.
We have different opinions. Let's just leave it at that.
there's a difference between not being mad about something, and being mad that other people are mad about something. if you are mad that other people are mad about something, you are supporting that thing. go fuck yourself
and using the medical term for genital mutilation is yet another way of downplaying how bad it is, which, yes, downplaying how bad something is is a way of supporting it
There's a difference between being mad other people are mad about something and saying you think some people are too extreme. You're not being reasonable so I'm not going to continue this tactless conversation, and I mean that in regards to us both. Have a good day.
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Yeah, this is bullshit. My sister, among others, mutilated both her sons because she thinks intact members look "gross." I have heard similar sentiments, and their ensuing mutilations, from women in similar demos.
I didn't say that women don't participate in the genital cutting culture. Men are just more likely to give strong pushback to criticism of the practice because it's more personal. It also happens to be that almost all of the medical authorities and researchers responsible for endorsing and promoting circumcision are circumcised men, and they bear the most blame.
No, you just claimed that men hold the reins. This was almost certainly true once. At least in the U.S., not anymore - male mutilation has become a cultural issue as the “scientific” basis is questioned and the absolute rate drops. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/circumcision_2013/circumcision_2013.pdf
Do you have any sources for that argument? Or just an assertion about their psychosexual rationalizations?
Do you know that? Or do you just infer that they’re cut?
https://en.intactiwiki.org/index.php/Adamant_father_syndrome
https://en.intactiwiki.org/index.php/Psychological_issues_of_male_circumcision#Circumcised_medical_doctors