What is sectarian about having views that oppose yours? Sectarianism is when you let your disagreements get in the way of action. Whatever you or I think of China or Vietnam, it has very little relevance in your actual praxis or mine.
I didnt say red fash anywhere. That China is state capitalist is also the standard Maoist position. Do you think criticizing literally anything about China is sectarian?
Something being the standard Maoist position does not make it not sectarian lmao
I'm sure that from your point of view, "China fake socialist state capitalist" is an objective statement of fact. "Leftcoms are pathetic losers who have never affected anything in any way" is also, from my perspective, a statement of objective fact. Both, however, are sectarian.
OK can you define sectarian? I'm asking because it can be very easy to have a policy where anything that disagrees with the popular opinion becomes sectarian and banned. You just admitted that China being capitalist is the proper position for Maoists, now you are calling the same position sectarian. I never worded my views in the dishonest way you are portraying like "China fake red fash" etc. I'm having a nuanced discussion.
Maoists are known for being extremely fucking sectarian, lmao.
It's not about popular opinion. In my community, "Leftcoms are useless idiots who get off to the idea of their own intellectual superiority" would be extremely popular. It is, nevertheless, sectarian.
It's not about truth, either. Saying that Anarchists have never brought about meaningful change is true and it's also sectarian. Saying that Maoists are paradoxically obsessed with violence and being the underdog is true and also sectarian.
What is sectarianism exactly? I still don't get it. Like disagreements actually exists in the real world. Why do you think people talk about left unity all the time? I would define sectarianism as letting disagreements get in the way of real world action. So sectarianism is a real life problem. In the online world, I don't get what uncriticial left unity, and silence for the sake of unity, would achieve.
Saying that Anarchists have never brought about meaningful change is true and it’s also sectarian. Saying that Maoists are paradoxically obsessed with violence and being the underdog is true and also sectarian.
Why would saying true things be sectarian? If something is true, why shouldnt it be said? Is it that these things hurt their feelings? By this logic, claiming that USSR is socialist is sectarian, because it hurts my feelings, regardless of whether it is true or not.
That's great dear. I hope you have fun with your friends online.
No need to be sectarian. We are just having a disagreement of theory. After all, left unity is important, and we all have the same goal.
You started the sectarianism. Blow me.
What is sectarian about having views that oppose yours? Sectarianism is when you let your disagreements get in the way of action. Whatever you or I think of China or Vietnam, it has very little relevance in your actual praxis or mine.
"China red fash state capitalism" is sectarian. Don't start a fight and then cry when you get punched.
I didnt say red fash anywhere. That China is state capitalist is also the standard Maoist position. Do you think criticizing literally anything about China is sectarian?
Something being the standard Maoist position does not make it not sectarian lmao
I'm sure that from your point of view, "China fake socialist state capitalist" is an objective statement of fact. "Leftcoms are pathetic losers who have never affected anything in any way" is also, from my perspective, a statement of objective fact. Both, however, are sectarian.
OK can you define sectarian? I'm asking because it can be very easy to have a policy where anything that disagrees with the popular opinion becomes sectarian and banned. You just admitted that China being capitalist is the proper position for Maoists, now you are calling the same position sectarian. I never worded my views in the dishonest way you are portraying like "China fake red fash" etc. I'm having a nuanced discussion.
Maoists are known for being extremely fucking sectarian, lmao.
It's not about popular opinion. In my community, "Leftcoms are useless idiots who get off to the idea of their own intellectual superiority" would be extremely popular. It is, nevertheless, sectarian.
It's not about truth, either. Saying that Anarchists have never brought about meaningful change is true and it's also sectarian. Saying that Maoists are paradoxically obsessed with violence and being the underdog is true and also sectarian.
What is sectarianism exactly? I still don't get it. Like disagreements actually exists in the real world. Why do you think people talk about left unity all the time? I would define sectarianism as letting disagreements get in the way of real world action. So sectarianism is a real life problem. In the online world, I don't get what uncriticial left unity, and silence for the sake of unity, would achieve.
Why would saying true things be sectarian? If something is true, why shouldnt it be said? Is it that these things hurt their feelings? By this logic, claiming that USSR is socialist is sectarian, because it hurts my feelings, regardless of whether it is true or not.