I'll edit my responses here...
A small anecdote here: I read a few days ago that apparently, Alzheimer's patients get their daily routine and circadian rhythm knocked around by this policy
Edit 2: It's funny how people are talking about time, as if this were my 2nd post of discussion on why time measurement is bullshit, on my account...
Some memorable replies here:
another point is that it's probably not great for animals with a strong internal clock
Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.
On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?
it's bad and we should commemorate the inventor with a public toilet
Basically the only merit to it that I can think of is that it prevents kids from having to walk to school in the dark, but then again that could be remedied by not having school hours be absurdly early in the morning
I don’t really think school hours are that early. At least where I am from none of them start before 7:00. I would have hated them being later because it would mean you get out later
When I was a sleepy 14 year old, having all of those 9am school starts was awful. Making kids go to school at 7am is fucking child abuse.
I always felt way worse in late afternoon and even as a child preferred getting the stuff done so my afternoons could be free because it was hard to focus in them
No, they couldn’t possibly have brought you in at 7am and kept you there through the late afternoon. Next you’ll be telling us you walked uphill both ways and had to go in on Sundays.
When I went to school in Japan the school had an "optional" first class that started at like 7:15 and went until the official start time of like 8:00. Though it was on paper optional, it really wasn't optional and all students were expected to be there for it except me, the foreign kid. School ran until like 4pm I believe and then you had extra curriculars like clubs and other groups that students were also heavily encouraged to be a part of which could last as late at 7pm or get out by probably 5-6. Also have fun commuting to school, add another chunk of time pre- and post- day for that, took me like 20 minutes one way by bike. There was also sometimes stuff on the weekend too.
You know that middle school starts at a different time in most places than high school does. Middle schools stayed far later so I both went with a later schedule and an early one. I 100% prefer the early morning start
No, what I know is really quite different. But that’s not so strange, most countries do things a bit differently when it comes to schools, as the other person replying noted. The most unusual part of all of this to me is that you liked it.
Hey, aren't you the person who was saying you and everyone you know is up by 7:30 on weekends so it's fine to be making lots of noise then?
I think these two things I said function in sync.
In sync to show that your opinions on time are bad and should be disregarded
Because I don’t like bumming around all morning?
No because you're a morning person who things everyone else should be morning people which makes you an insufferable piece of shit.
well that's just rude.
good post
I still disagree though 7am is in the realm of when noise is allowed and morning people must suffer in turn when we make noises at night. People are irritating that's a fact of life to be free of irritation is only possible for those who create their own prisons of sterile isolation
if you live around people you will be annoyed
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That’s nice
protestant ethic (and the spirit of capitalism) detected.
I don’t think we as a whole are agaisnt hard work. Workers should own the fruits of their labor, not not work
The protestant work ethic and its valuation of things like regular and early schedules, diligence in your dedicated lifelong vocation, and refusal of frivolous purchasing is largely responsible for the structure and dominance of capitalism.
Maybe check out The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and do some self crit?
I’ll look into the book but I’m not sure how those wouldn’t be positive traits in socialism as well
Did your government put you in an incorrect timezone or something?
Every time there's DST change in my country a bunch of articles pop up that explain the following consensus put forward by sleep scientists:
During DST, most people sleep less (as in: not enough). There were studies where people got locked in windowless basements or something and they tended to adopt something like 25h rhythm (varies by person). That internal clock gets modulated back to 24h by exposure to sunlight. When people are forced to get up too early, they tend to no fully compensate by going to sleep earlier by a similar amount, due to the natural rhythm telling them it's too early for bed. This causes chronic lack of sleep, a permanent jet lag. Most of the working and school age population suffer from this during DST here, especially teenagers, since something something hormones makes them evening people.
The usual recommendation is to start school (especially for teenagers) not earlier than 9 normal time (instead of the usual 8 here). And to get rid of DST obviously.
Not earlier than 9?! No way that is a serious suggestion. I’m basing what I am saying off of my personal life. Starting school or work later means a later release time which means less free time. I think that it is therefore far better to start earlier and get out earlier. That gives people more leisure time. My personal experience has also been that I function more effectively and am in a better mood with the people I am around the earlier we start something. I think that the whole 9-5 thing is way worse than it would be other wise because of the hours. 7-3 is the same amount of hours but soooooo much more tolerable
its the same amount, there's two extra hours in the morning.
A separate two hours means only two hours of time in that smaller time frame which means less available things to do as they have to fit into that time frame. Many places are also not open them
the amount of time in the day doesn't change. someone could utilize later start times to sleep and stay up later, even!
The time in the day does change. If you become free at 4 rather than 2 then you have two less hours that the sun is out
you 'had' them in the morning they did not go away
But the morning hours are less usable
according to what? people sleeping in, working out, eating full breakfasts, they enjoy their time doing that. just because something doesn't occur to you doesn't mean it's incorrect
Yeah, they're both bananas things to say lol
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That just sounds ridiculous
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Ah yes, let’s keep kids in school until really late in the day so they have no free time in the afternoon once they finish their homework
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I’m basing what I am saying off of my own life. My own experiences suggest that saying that school should start later is like saying that the sky is orange. It simply sound ludicrous like a suggestion made in jest. I wouldn’t have an issue with time being moved back if that didn’t cause a later realize in the afternoon. I simply know that isn’t going to be the way it is
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Because this so-called evidence seems as ridiculous as to say that the sky is orange. I simply am saying I would hate it to have later work/school start times. For myself, I would be so incredibly miserable. I don’t care what others say in regards to my comments on it. If I had had to start later and stay later I probably would have wanted to kill myself with those hours
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fucking liberals
We had 7:30 morning classes for extension electives (AP classes in US terms I guess) in Year 11/12 but the teacher wisely decided these would be at Mac Donalds. Also if you make me function before 10am I will stab you with a hat pin and set my stick insects upon your bleeding form.
I remember having to get up at 6 to catch the bus, then getting to school and having to wait an hour for class to start anyway.
we started at 9
Waking up to be at school before 7 as a kid was literal torture, it's way too fucking early.