I'll edit my responses here...

A small anecdote here: I read a few days ago that apparently, Alzheimer's patients get their daily routine and circadian rhythm knocked around by this policy

Edit 2: It's funny how people are talking about time, as if this were my 2nd post of discussion on why time measurement is bullshit, on my account...

Some memorable replies here:

another point is that it's probably not great for animals with a strong internal clock

Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.

On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?

it's bad and we should commemorate the inventor with a public toilet

  • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    On the one hand, it's disruptive and annoying. On the other hand, it has no practical benefits whatsoever. Hard to say whether it's good or bad, really.

  • SovietyWoomy [any]
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    1 year ago

    It's not disruptive enough. We should switch to metric while daylight savings is happening and switch back to imperial when it ends. Think of how many jobs would be created by constantly needing to change all the road signs.

  • krolden@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Abolish all timezones and move to earth standard time on top of a 13 month calendar.

    Thats what you have to look forward to when I'm dictator of the solar system.

  • girl_liker [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Basically the only merit to it that I can think of is that it prevents kids from having to walk to school in the dark, but then again that could be remedied by not having school hours be absurdly early in the morning

    • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      I don’t really think school hours are that early. At least where I am from none of them start before 7:00. I would have hated them being later because it would mean you get out later

      • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        When I was a sleepy 14 year old, having all of those 9am school starts was awful. Making kids go to school at 7am is fucking child abuse.

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          I always felt way worse in late afternoon and even as a child preferred getting the stuff done so my afternoons could be free because it was hard to focus in them

          • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            No, they couldn’t possibly have brought you in at 7am and kept you there through the late afternoon. Next you’ll be telling us you walked uphill both ways and had to go in on Sundays.

            • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              When I went to school in Japan the school had an "optional" first class that started at like 7:15 and went until the official start time of like 8:00. Though it was on paper optional, it really wasn't optional and all students were expected to be there for it except me, the foreign kid. School ran until like 4pm I believe and then you had extra curriculars like clubs and other groups that students were also heavily encouraged to be a part of which could last as late at 7pm or get out by probably 5-6. Also have fun commuting to school, add another chunk of time pre- and post- day for that, took me like 20 minutes one way by bike. There was also sometimes stuff on the weekend too.

            • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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              1 year ago

              You know that middle school starts at a different time in most places than high school does. Middle schools stayed far later so I both went with a later schedule and an early one. I 100% prefer the early morning start

              • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                No, what I know is really quite different. But that’s not so strange, most countries do things a bit differently when it comes to schools, as the other person replying noted. The most unusual part of all of this to me is that you liked it.

      • buckykat [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Hey, aren't you the person who was saying you and everyone you know is up by 7:30 on weekends so it's fine to be making lots of noise then?

          • trompete [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Did your government put you in an incorrect timezone or something?

            Every time there's DST change in my country a bunch of articles pop up that explain the following consensus put forward by sleep scientists:

            During DST, most people sleep less (as in: not enough). There were studies where people got locked in windowless basements or something and they tended to adopt something like 25h rhythm (varies by person). That internal clock gets modulated back to 24h by exposure to sunlight. When people are forced to get up too early, they tend to no fully compensate by going to sleep earlier by a similar amount, due to the natural rhythm telling them it's too early for bed. This causes chronic lack of sleep, a permanent jet lag. Most of the working and school age population suffer from this during DST here, especially teenagers, since something something hormones makes them evening people.

            The usual recommendation is to start school (especially for teenagers) not earlier than 9 normal time (instead of the usual 8 here). And to get rid of DST obviously.

            • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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              1 year ago

              Not earlier than 9?! No way that is a serious suggestion. I’m basing what I am saying off of my personal life. Starting school or work later means a later release time which means less free time. I think that it is therefore far better to start earlier and get out earlier. That gives people more leisure time. My personal experience has also been that I function more effectively and am in a better mood with the people I am around the earlier we start something. I think that the whole 9-5 thing is way worse than it would be other wise because of the hours. 7-3 is the same amount of hours but soooooo much more tolerable

              • Dolores [love/loves]
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                1 year ago

                means a later release time which means less free time

                its the same amount, there's two extra hours in the morning.

                • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  A separate two hours means only two hours of time in that smaller time frame which means less available things to do as they have to fit into that time frame. Many places are also not open them

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            • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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              1 year ago

              Ah yes, let’s keep kids in school until really late in the day so they have no free time in the afternoon once they finish their homework

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                • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  I’m basing what I am saying off of my own life. My own experiences suggest that saying that school should start later is like saying that the sky is orange. It simply sound ludicrous like a suggestion made in jest. I wouldn’t have an issue with time being moved back if that didn’t cause a later realize in the afternoon. I simply know that isn’t going to be the way it is

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            We had 7:30 morning classes for extension electives (AP classes in US terms I guess) in Year 11/12 but the teacher wisely decided these would be at Mac Donalds. Also if you make me function before 10am I will stab you with a hat pin and set my stick insects upon your bleeding form.

      • CrushKillDestroySwag
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        1 year ago

        I remember having to get up at 6 to catch the bus, then getting to school and having to wait an hour for class to start anyway.

      • RedDawn [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Waking up to be at school before 7 as a kid was literal torture, it's way too fucking early.

  • Beaver [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Get rid of it, changing the clock doesn't change where the sun is in the sky

  • Saoirse [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Fucking terrible, must be abolished. It solves no problems that would not be better solved by not making everyone work ungodly hours.

  • provisional@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    I strongly prefer permanent standard time, because I prefer morning light to evening light. Also, the fact that states can choose permanent standard time without congressional approval means that people who are pro daylight saving are holding us back from abolishing time changes.

    Scientists and medical experts agree: more morning light is beneficial for health since it sets the circadian rhythm for the day. Too much evening light delays sleep onset and makes it difficult for teens to get up in the morning.

    Standard Time is the obvious choice and I will die on this hill.

  • roux [he/him, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    DST is classist and needs to be abolished along with landlords, borders, and cops.

  • CrushKillDestroySwag
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    1 year ago

    Should be banned. Should never have been adopted. Even in its original context it's a completely incoherent idea.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    I don't really have any strong opinions on it but watching there suddenly be way more/less hours of daylight is extremely amusing to me every 6 months without fail. i literally become the god damn soyjak pointing at the sun

    soypoint-1soypoint-2

    • Rom [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I vote for permanent DST, because this wintertime getting dark at 4:30pm bullshit sucks ass.

        • Rom [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          If all the consumerism were excised from Christmas and the holiday was relegated back to December where it belongs, I might be able to tolerate it. Festive decorations are pretty, spending time with family is pretty great (also Christmas dinner slaps), and some of the old music (read: not any of that modern "I'm a famous artist buy my obligatory Christmas album" shit) is decently enjoyable, even if it's only the nostalgia speaking. I don't care for the religious angle, and the "Christmas is for Christ" ghouls can eat my entire ass since so much of the holiday was lifted from Pagan traditions, but the few non-religious parts of Christmas that haven't been turned into a capitalist lich are rather nice.

      • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        same. I can sorta see the argument for the opposite but my circadian rhythm does not allow me to get up early enough to give a shit

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.

    On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?