I'll edit my responses here...
A small anecdote here: I read a few days ago that apparently, Alzheimer's patients get their daily routine and circadian rhythm knocked around by this policy
Edit 2: It's funny how people are talking about time, as if this were my 2nd post of discussion on why time measurement is bullshit, on my account...
Some memorable replies here:
another point is that it's probably not great for animals with a strong internal clock
Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.
On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?
it's bad and we should commemorate the inventor with a public toilet
On the one hand, it's disruptive and annoying. On the other hand, it has no practical benefits whatsoever. Hard to say whether it's good or bad, really.
Why the hell would you be confused on whether it's good or bad...? You've made your decision right there...
they're joking with the second sentence by pretending to not understand the points they just laid out to highlight the obviousness
It's not disruptive enough. We should switch to metric while daylight savings is happening and switch back to imperial when it ends. Think of how many jobs would be created by constantly needing to change all the road signs.
Switch to metric time for the duration as well to really shake things up.
Abolish all timezones and move to earth standard time on top of a 13 month calendar.
Thats what you have to look forward to when I'm dictator of the solar system.
You'll have to fight my duodecimal empire when we abolish the Base-10 system and implement Base-12 like it always should have been.
If we're going to go to all the effort of switching to a different number base it should obviously be base 16
Can you count to 16 on one hand?
Cuz I can count to 12 on one hand.
I can count to 10, 12, 24, 28, 31, 33 or 34 on one hand, depending on how I wanna do it. I feel like it's all vibes. One wants a specific number system and work backwards to retroactively rationalise it, looking for specifics that support it. It's like people arguing imperial is better than metric because it "makes more sense".
Well yeah, with computation none of this really matters. It's vibes.
I vibe with 1/3 being as easy to express as 1/2 and 1/4 but that's purely aesthetic lol
It's like people arguing imperial is better than metric because it "makes more sense".
Figuring out how to use the thumb to count the 12 digits on one hand is a
moment lol
I can express 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4 super easily. All you pretenders can't say the same.
I mean I won't stop you from doing it, but time zones help clear up confusion for me on current regional time... how should I deal with that?
everyone will move to where their sleep cycle matches the time and daylight. people with sleep disorders will receive semi-autonomous zeppelins to fly east or west as necessary to accommodate us.
Also thanks for making this post the time as I just looked at the time in the car before I came in and an hour later looked at the time and it was the same.
You're welcome.... Edit: Wait a minute, what was the time there?
You won't be able to stop me because I'd be the dick tater
Anyway to answer your question everyone would have to tag their time as +3 or -6 or whatever but the actual time would be what UTC is now so we can sync all the computers properly.
Basically the only merit to it that I can think of is that it prevents kids from having to walk to school in the dark, but then again that could be remedied by not having school hours be absurdly early in the morning
I don’t really think school hours are that early. At least where I am from none of them start before 7:00. I would have hated them being later because it would mean you get out later
When I was a sleepy 14 year old, having all of those 9am school starts was awful. Making kids go to school at 7am is fucking child abuse.
I always felt way worse in late afternoon and even as a child preferred getting the stuff done so my afternoons could be free because it was hard to focus in them
No, they couldn’t possibly have brought you in at 7am and kept you there through the late afternoon. Next you’ll be telling us you walked uphill both ways and had to go in on Sundays.
When I went to school in Japan the school had an "optional" first class that started at like 7:15 and went until the official start time of like 8:00. Though it was on paper optional, it really wasn't optional and all students were expected to be there for it except me, the foreign kid. School ran until like 4pm I believe and then you had extra curriculars like clubs and other groups that students were also heavily encouraged to be a part of which could last as late at 7pm or get out by probably 5-6. Also have fun commuting to school, add another chunk of time pre- and post- day for that, took me like 20 minutes one way by bike. There was also sometimes stuff on the weekend too.
You know that middle school starts at a different time in most places than high school does. Middle schools stayed far later so I both went with a later schedule and an early one. I 100% prefer the early morning start
No, what I know is really quite different. But that’s not so strange, most countries do things a bit differently when it comes to schools, as the other person replying noted. The most unusual part of all of this to me is that you liked it.
Hey, aren't you the person who was saying you and everyone you know is up by 7:30 on weekends so it's fine to be making lots of noise then?
In sync to show that your opinions on time are bad and should be disregarded
No because you're a morning person who things everyone else should be morning people which makes you an insufferable piece of shit.
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good post
I still disagree though 7am is in the realm of when noise is allowed and morning people must suffer in turn when we make noises at night. People are irritating that's a fact of life to be free of irritation is only possible for those who create their own prisons of sterile isolation
if you live around people you will be annoyed
If you make noises at 7am I will strangle you. I enjoy mornings, in part because they are nice and quiet. When I worked on construction sites we would do our best to do quiet work until 9, because we all acknowledged that making a lot of noise before 9 was just rude.
bumming
protestant ethic (and the spirit of capitalism) detected.
I don’t think we as a whole are agaisnt hard work. Workers should own the fruits of their labor, not not work
The protestant work ethic and its valuation of things like regular and early schedules, diligence in your dedicated lifelong vocation, and refusal of frivolous purchasing is largely responsible for the structure and dominance of capitalism.
Maybe check out The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and do some self crit?
I’ll look into the book but I’m not sure how those wouldn’t be positive traits in socialism as well
Did your government put you in an incorrect timezone or something?
Every time there's DST change in my country a bunch of articles pop up that explain the following consensus put forward by sleep scientists:
During DST, most people sleep less (as in: not enough). There were studies where people got locked in windowless basements or something and they tended to adopt something like 25h rhythm (varies by person). That internal clock gets modulated back to 24h by exposure to sunlight. When people are forced to get up too early, they tend to no fully compensate by going to sleep earlier by a similar amount, due to the natural rhythm telling them it's too early for bed. This causes chronic lack of sleep, a permanent jet lag. Most of the working and school age population suffer from this during DST here, especially teenagers, since something something hormones makes them evening people.
The usual recommendation is to start school (especially for teenagers) not earlier than 9 normal time (instead of the usual 8 here). And to get rid of DST obviously.
Not earlier than 9?! No way that is a serious suggestion. I’m basing what I am saying off of my personal life. Starting school or work later means a later release time which means less free time. I think that it is therefore far better to start earlier and get out earlier. That gives people more leisure time. My personal experience has also been that I function more effectively and am in a better mood with the people I am around the earlier we start something. I think that the whole 9-5 thing is way worse than it would be other wise because of the hours. 7-3 is the same amount of hours but soooooo much more tolerable
means a later release time which means less free time
its the same amount, there's two extra hours in the morning.
A separate two hours means only two hours of time in that smaller time frame which means less available things to do as they have to fit into that time frame. Many places are also not open them
means only two hours of time in that smaller time frame
the amount of time in the day doesn't change. someone could utilize later start times to sleep and stay up later, even!
The time in the day does change. If you become free at 4 rather than 2 then you have two less hours that the sun is out
according to what? people sleeping in, working out, eating full breakfasts, they enjoy their time doing that. just because something doesn't occur to you doesn't mean it's incorrect
Starting at 7:00 is actually very early, and harmful for the growth of most children and their learning. First few lessons are wasted because they're so tired.
I agree, starting children off at 7 am does sound ridiculous. Early morning classes are linked with poor academic performance across the age spectrum of students
Ah yes, let’s keep kids in school until really late in the day so they have no free time in the afternoon once they finish their homework
We could also just make their schooldays shorter. They don't learn anything apart from being beaten down by keeping them in school for an inordinate amount of hours. There isn't really a correlation between time spent in school and academic performance https://junilearning.com/blog/guide/shorter-school-days/
And again whatever you feel about it, early morning classes have been shown time and again to be bad for the students. At this point you're advocating for vibes-based policy.I’m basing what I am saying off of my own life. My own experiences suggest that saying that school should start later is like saying that the sky is orange. It simply sound ludicrous like a suggestion made in jest. I wouldn’t have an issue with time being moved back if that didn’t cause a later realize in the afternoon. I simply know that isn’t going to be the way it is
im basing what I am saying off of my own life.
Yeah that's what I am saying - Vibes based. When you argue for large scale policy, you shouldn't do it based off of singular anecdotal experience, especially not when you are given proof of your anecdotal reference being wrong
Because this so-called evidence seems as ridiculous as to say that the sky is orange. I simply am saying I would hate it to have later work/school start times. For myself, I would be so incredibly miserable. I don’t care what others say in regards to my comments on it. If I had had to start later and stay later I probably would have wanted to kill myself with those hours
Because this so-called evidence seems as ridiculous as to say that the sky is orange.
To you, because it disagrees with your own opinion on the matter, you don't vibe with it. You are doing vibes-based solutions, and you refuse to accept the facts. This is not a good way to go about life.
We had 7:30 morning classes for extension electives (AP classes in US terms I guess) in Year 11/12 but the teacher wisely decided these would be at Mac Donalds. Also if you make me function before 10am I will stab you with a hat pin and set my stick insects upon your bleeding form.
I remember having to get up at 6 to catch the bus, then getting to school and having to wait an hour for class to start anyway.
Waking up to be at school before 7 as a kid was literal torture, it's way too fucking early.
Get rid of it, changing the clock doesn't change where the sun is in the sky
I strongly prefer permanent standard time, because I prefer morning light to evening light. Also, the fact that states can choose permanent standard time without congressional approval means that people who are pro daylight saving are holding us back from abolishing time changes.
Scientists and medical experts agree: more morning light is beneficial for health since it sets the circadian rhythm for the day. Too much evening light delays sleep onset and makes it difficult for teens to get up in the morning.
Standard Time is the obvious choice and I will die on this hill.
Same here, and I plan to die, get buried, and have wildflowers grow on my plot on that hill
Fucking terrible, must be abolished. It solves no problems that would not be better solved by not making everyone work ungodly hours.
I don't really have any strong opinions on it but watching there suddenly be way more/less hours of daylight is extremely amusing to me every 6 months without fail. i literally become the god damn soyjak pointing at the sun
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Same, bro, I always find it funny wherever I am, daylight either starts to die at 4 PM or 9 PM, depending on the seasons
talkin' bout the weather and conditions outside never gets old. World's oldest small talk
Should be banned. Should never have been adopted. Even in its original context it's a completely incoherent idea.
DST is classist and needs to be abolished along with landlords, borders, and cops.
its bad folks
the real controversy is whether it should be permanent dst or permanent standard time
I vote for permanent DST, because this wintertime getting dark at 4:30pm bullshit sucks ass.
If all the consumerism were excised from Christmas and the holiday was relegated back to December where it belongs, I might be able to tolerate it. Festive decorations are pretty, spending time with family is pretty great (also Christmas dinner slaps), and some of the old music (read: not any of that modern "I'm a famous artist buy my obligatory Christmas album" shit) is decently enjoyable, even if it's only the nostalgia speaking. I don't care for the religious angle, and the "Christmas is for Christ" ghouls can eat my entire ass since so much of the holiday was lifted from Pagan traditions, but the few non-religious parts of Christmas that haven't been turned into a capitalist lich are rather nice.
same. I can sorta see the argument for the opposite but my circadian rhythm does not allow me to get up early enough to give a shit
I literally do not care which way we fall just stop the switching
Do not make me get up an hour earlier I will fucking cut you.
On the other hand it is nice the park is open later but have you considered just adequately lighting the park bike paths?
