Just use Element! It's open source and E2EE by default.

It's also based on a federated open source protocol called Matrix so you can actually run your own server if you want to. Element is very easy to use and you don't even need a phone number!

  • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Imagine buying some walled in phones for good money just for some blue messages. Couldn't be me

    • spectre [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Element is the "correct" answer, but I suggest that people use Telegram if they want their friends to switch over as well. It has some significant flaws as far as privacy goes, but nothing dealbreaking (compared to something like Facebook Messenger) imo. The UX is 10/10 so it's more likely that they will actually use it. There's also been a lot of adoption over the past year or two in general.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Would you still do so even with the weird stuff with Signal that's been coming up this past week? I think we are on the same page, just ending up in different places at the end of the day 🤷‍♂️

            • spectre [he/him]
              ·
              3 years ago

              Yes, that’s why I said “recent shitshow aside”

              Ah, my bad

          • Pirate [none/use name]
            hexagon
            ·
            3 years ago

            If you can get them to use Signal instead of Telegram then go for it. Signal is still secure and E2EE at the end of the day. Just don't send Signal any donations and send them Matrix's way instead.

  • flees [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I like iMessage, when my phone would get turned off for nonpayment my friends could still text me when I was on WiFi. iMessage is definitely the reason I have stuck with iPhone over the years.

    • Automatic [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      You can do the same thing with any number of 3rd part apps. Whatsapp, signal, telegram ect.

      • flees [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        That’s true, but they would also need the app, right? With iMessage it’s just right there in the messages.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I mean it's good to standardize on an app. iMessage would be as good as any, except that it's Apple exclusive. By using it you exclude everyone who doesn't have an Apple device.

            • spectre [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Interesting interesting, I'll give it another look, I would prefer that something FOSS becomes the standard, but it seems a bit unwieldy to laypeople at the moment.

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    11 months ago

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  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    never used a crapple, never will, using apple products is liberalism :LIB:

    • crime [she/her, any]
      ·
      3 years ago

      carrying around Google spyware in your pocket

      :cringe:

      Not that apple is much better, but at least their main goal is to sell hardware and not to gather the most specific advertising profile possible about you

      Pouring one out for Ubuntu Touch

        • Pirate [none/use name]
          hexagon
          ·
          3 years ago

          One more advantage that something like Element has is bots. Oh and it can also handle huge rooms.

    • spectre [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Pretty much everything tbh, which is true of just about anything that's not-SMS

    • Pirate [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      3 years ago

      Your ISP sees the content of your SMS so plz don't use it and use Element instead.