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    • Civility [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      BumpInTheNight's quoting an article on the Xingjiang ban from an English language CPC news site almost word for word:

      Lawmakers in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region have passed China's first legislation on anti-extremism to prevent terrorism from spreading in the region.

      The regulation, adopted on Wednesday by the Xinjiang People's Congress, prohibits people in the region from wearing full-face coverings and long beards, which are deemed to promote extremism.

      -New Xinjiang regulation aims to prevent extremism, Mao Weihua and Cui Jia in the China Daily, 31/03/2017

      Doesn't make it any less gross, but they originally tried to post this in c/sino and it got deleted, so I assume that's what they're talking about.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          4 years ago

          As far as I have understood from hearing from Uighurs is that neither face coverings nor the specific beards referred to(Basically long ass under the chin) are traditional to Uighurs nor have been common before the influx of Wahhabism in the region, this is different from France or other countries banning people who have long standing traditions in their specific culture to wear these things. Now you may disagree with the policy on principle and thats a fine stance to take, but its not honest or correct to make these two policies into the exact same.

          This is similar to when accusations arise of forcing Uighurs to drink alcohol, there are long standing traditions of home brewing wine in Xinjiang among the Uighur, there is no reason to force anyone to drink alcohol cause for the most part they already do, unless again there is influence from traditions outside of Xinjiang and the Uighurs.

          This whole post really feels more like an attempt of dishonest dunking on people rather than an honest and good faith discussion about China and Xinjiang, if you wanna discuss these policies then discuss them, don't make a bait and switch where its really obvious anyone reading will think of France and then go "Sike its actually Xinjiang bet you feel foolish now".

            • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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              4 years ago

              I can't exactly call you a liar since I don't know what you know or don't know but the threads structure is really suspect, and again, I made other points that you could meet about the specific situations and reasonings for the laws made in Xinjiang.

              • BumpInTheNight [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                specific situations and reasonings for the laws made in Xinjiang.

                The reasonings are about extremism/terrorism

                • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yes, what do you think about them?

                  It feels like you are doing this neutral facade cause you came in prepared with articles and archive links but you don't really seem to have an open opinion about it.

                  • BumpInTheNight [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Most hotly debated issues have valid points on both sides:

                    Valid points for the ban: It oppresses women, it's not required by the Qu'ran, women never choose to wear it, hiding your face is creepy in many valid cultures

                    Valid points against the ban: anonymity is good, women do choose to wear it, cultural freedom