With Putin talking about the orthodox church being holy and using to justify some conservative bullshit, all I can remember was the bolsheviks going around the country proudly declaring that cities were now "officially godless" and redistributing the church's gold amongst the people and using it to pay for electrification projects.
I doubt huge chunks of the population just suddenly found God or some other sense of spirituality so shortly after the collapse. It raises the question as to why people didn't naturally let go of their beliefs in the USSR. As others have stated, there was an ostracization that took place when it came to religious beliefs. It's also the fact that the USSR hadn't achieved a high enough level of socialism where people would've felt they needed to completely abandon faith.
It should also show that there are possible inroads to be made with a religious population considering that many of these people also preferred that the USSR had not collapsed. Lots to think about.
I genuinely don't see the conflict between religious faith and socialism
It's not an alien notion for sure. I've read plenty from individuals that have taken a syncretic approach with socialist thought and their own respective religious ideologies. Sometimes I do wonder if religion would be completely vacated if we ever reach that high form of communism. I don't have any concrete answer to that but it is interesting to think about.
I doubt it because people said the same thing about the switch from feudalism to capitalism
Faith is jusg a tool. I think really there isn't much for most religions that would be against the revolution.
Churches though, they tend to take a dim view on pro-social behavior.
a church is literally a social gathering of people. Personally I think the right dominates religion just because we let them
Nah, if is an evolutionary process. The more weird and dickish a religion is the more devoted you can make dedicated follower. The more devoted followers you get the more there is social pressure to become a regular follower.
The cycle repeats itself till everyone is sexually traumatized and using that guilt and shame to power church efforts.
More relaxed and chill churches have trouble getting the same energy going so they are outcompeted
that's a whole lot of wild allegation to base on general dislike alone
nah, that is one of the basic forms of general organization. it's in all the basic sociology textbooks. Doesn't matter the kind of organization. There is a specific term for it that I missed back on a quiz back in college so I am not gonna remember it now. Churches just have the added psychodrama about being hyper focused on sex. The same dynamics work if it is a club, a gym, or a plumbing company.
I was actually arguing with the allegation that the fuel for religion is sexual trauma
Oh, on what grounds do you disagree?
I think sex and ideas surrounding it is a very small part of most people's religious experience. I would also point out that a core tenet of Christianity is forgiveness both of the self and others. I've been an atheist and I've been a Christian and come from an atheist background and I can honestly say that any sense of shame about sexual desire I may experience definitely comes from my English cultural background and taboos about public expression of emotion
And where did they get it from? Places without a history of abrhamic religion tend to be way more chill about sex.
This take is so wildly a historical I am not even sure where to start. We spend millions of dollars a year on enforcing abstinence education world wide because churches are so enamored with it.many people die from lack of repoductive health because we dont wanna risk them getting abortion, the hayes code, the policing of women every cathlic person, sex workers, like a fifth of all cathloic people through history specifically, lgtbqi persons,..
Guy I just told you the reason I find sex weird is that I'm culturally uncomfortable with any public display of vulnerability that's not a Christian thing it's an English thing
Thats true for you. But that isn't most people. Further old pagan english people liked to party.
It is chrisendom they got that from and they spread it everywhere they imperized. You can see a clear split kof christian and pre christian norms in most places. And then in places like Egypt where they destoryed all the old sexy art you cant even see the trend
Old English pagan people considered kidnap marriage
You can be compatible if you forget what the religious texts actually say, like the Bible and all those parts about pro-slavery, selling your daughter etc...
or the parts about the earth being created for all men, living communally with all things held in common, etc...
you can't take the Bible and act like it wasn't written for and by an early iron age audience and their interaction with God so yeah there are going to be the cultural norms of the background culture mentioned