I agree but this whole thread is about how the pig is lying, which I don't think is true. Its definitely a mistake I could see happening. I've made stupid things myself, lucky for me none of those stupid mistakes have involved weapons.
I don't really know anything about this particular case, but immediately this strikes me as extremely unlikely. Firearms and tasers feel very different in the hand. They are different shapes, and different weights. When you hold it up to shoot someone, it looks immediately and obviously different. When you put your finger on the trigger, it feels significantly different. And don't cops guns have to have extreme, even unsafe trigger weights? So when you actually start pulling the trigger, if you were trying to pull the trigger of a taser you would immediately realize that it's taking far too much force to depress.
Maybe you can explain further how, in this case, this mistake makes sense.
I think the decision to focus on this particular shooting is intentional because it probably was actually an accident. Cops are trained military style to draw and shoot quickly. She also only fired once I think if she knew she was going to shoot him dead she would have unloaded like cops always do. She also resigned which most cops that intentionally murder people don't do.
So basically, yeah, probably a legitimate accident, but the fact that accidents are outliers in police shootings lately should be telling. The protests need to keep going on, just because it was an accident doesn't bring back the dead and cops shouldn't be allowed to be in situations where they can kill people either accidentally or intentionally.
The problem is that as the debate shifts from "how the fuck was she even allowed to be in a situation where she could accidentally kill someone" to "was it an accident or not" we shift from systemic critique of the police (that is valid no matter the answer to the other question) to a narrative of personal responsibility that focuses on this individual cop. The fact that this one could legitimately have been an accident makes that transition easier.
Well the bodycam footage was released. This incident of him running and her shooting him all happens in under 3 seconds. Live action in a high pressure situation, all those differences you noted between the gun and taser would not be noticed. She was screaming for the other officer to tase him, then she pulled out her gun and instantly shot him. It happened so damn fast. Her voice sounded genuinely shocked when it happened, that she had shot her gun instead of the taser. She literally screams "OH SHIT" the instant after it happens. Its not some fake ass cover story that she invented afterwards. Pigs shouldn't carry lethal weapons, in a lot of countries they don't.
all those differences you noted between the gun and taser would not be noticed.
I simply don't understand how that's possible, and your explanation hasn't helped. The triggers aren't similar. If you were trying to pull the trigger of a taser and you actually had your finger on the trigger of a firearm, it does not seem possible to me not to notice. Instantly. Especially since, unless police tasers also have the absurd trigger weights of police firearms, you would simply be unable to pull the trigger of a glock with the force you were intending to use on the trigger of a taser. It doesn't make sense to me.
She did the thing she was trianed to do. This really is an easy mistake to make. She was too focused on the situation to notice what her hands were doing. This is just like when you try to push your glasses up you aren't wearing them.
Reflex actions really are triggered by the lower motor neurons and can happen without conscious intention. And sufficiently trained skill can get internalized as a reflex like this. Having the stun weapon so similar to the kill weapon would easily allow for a person to get confused and do this below the level of human thought. Which is why cops both shouldn't have guns and shouldn't be so quick to do violence to organize the situation.
I don't know if you've ever been in a high pressure physical situation before but you REALLY don't notice details when you're scared and trying to do something fast. Even if the trigger weight is wildly different it wouldn't be noticed/reflected upon until after the weapon is fired.
This is one of those things where it's maybe true but the sheer incompetence involved means that it's really no better anyway.
Like, how do you fuck up that bad? If I was a cop I would remember where my lethal and non-lethal were.
I agree but this whole thread is about how the pig is lying, which I don't think is true. Its definitely a mistake I could see happening. I've made stupid things myself, lucky for me none of those stupid mistakes have involved weapons.
I don't really know anything about this particular case, but immediately this strikes me as extremely unlikely. Firearms and tasers feel very different in the hand. They are different shapes, and different weights. When you hold it up to shoot someone, it looks immediately and obviously different. When you put your finger on the trigger, it feels significantly different. And don't cops guns have to have extreme, even unsafe trigger weights? So when you actually start pulling the trigger, if you were trying to pull the trigger of a taser you would immediately realize that it's taking far too much force to depress.
Maybe you can explain further how, in this case, this mistake makes sense.
I think the decision to focus on this particular shooting is intentional because it probably was actually an accident. Cops are trained military style to draw and shoot quickly. She also only fired once I think if she knew she was going to shoot him dead she would have unloaded like cops always do. She also resigned which most cops that intentionally murder people don't do.
So basically, yeah, probably a legitimate accident, but the fact that accidents are outliers in police shootings lately should be telling. The protests need to keep going on, just because it was an accident doesn't bring back the dead and cops shouldn't be allowed to be in situations where they can kill people either accidentally or intentionally.
The problem is that as the debate shifts from "how the fuck was she even allowed to be in a situation where she could accidentally kill someone" to "was it an accident or not" we shift from systemic critique of the police (that is valid no matter the answer to the other question) to a narrative of personal responsibility that focuses on this individual cop. The fact that this one could legitimately have been an accident makes that transition easier.
Well the bodycam footage was released. This incident of him running and her shooting him all happens in under 3 seconds. Live action in a high pressure situation, all those differences you noted between the gun and taser would not be noticed. She was screaming for the other officer to tase him, then she pulled out her gun and instantly shot him. It happened so damn fast. Her voice sounded genuinely shocked when it happened, that she had shot her gun instead of the taser. She literally screams "OH SHIT" the instant after it happens. Its not some fake ass cover story that she invented afterwards. Pigs shouldn't carry lethal weapons, in a lot of countries they don't.
I simply don't understand how that's possible, and your explanation hasn't helped. The triggers aren't similar. If you were trying to pull the trigger of a taser and you actually had your finger on the trigger of a firearm, it does not seem possible to me not to notice. Instantly. Especially since, unless police tasers also have the absurd trigger weights of police firearms, you would simply be unable to pull the trigger of a glock with the force you were intending to use on the trigger of a taser. It doesn't make sense to me.
She did the thing she was trianed to do. This really is an easy mistake to make. She was too focused on the situation to notice what her hands were doing. This is just like when you try to push your glasses up you aren't wearing them.
Reflex actions really are triggered by the lower motor neurons and can happen without conscious intention. And sufficiently trained skill can get internalized as a reflex like this. Having the stun weapon so similar to the kill weapon would easily allow for a person to get confused and do this below the level of human thought. Which is why cops both shouldn't have guns and shouldn't be so quick to do violence to organize the situation.
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I don't know if you've ever been in a high pressure physical situation before but you REALLY don't notice details when you're scared and trying to do something fast. Even if the trigger weight is wildly different it wouldn't be noticed/reflected upon until after the weapon is fired.