I'm done, I'm fucking tired of them.

I don't understand these pieces of shit anymore. Every "gaming" community I'm (sadly) part of is filled with these monumental pieces of dog shit, every one of them has a very vocal group of reactionary pieces of shit that just makes me wanna throw them into the Barbara Pit. UGH.

So I play mostly two games these days, STALKER "Anomaly" and World of Warships. About Stalker, I'm part of a discord server that handles everything related to the "mod" called "Anomaly", pretty fun game if you ask me, try it out if you like survival shit. Now, that game has only ONE woman in the entire world, nicknamed "Hip", which has a questline and shit. For some reason, incels in that community hate her, like holy fucking shit they hate her a lot. It's not uncommon to see "memes" directed at a fucking female NPC and those who "simp" for her (???), saying things like "Man I wish this game had gore so I can see Hip's head explode" and shit like that. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

There is always, every day, at least one comment directed at a fucking female NPC, people who take pride in "killing Hip" to "keep the Zone clean", holy fucking shit, it's exhausting. Sadly, it became quite common in that community, it's pretty fucking sad.

Now World of Warships has a mainly boomer audience, some of these american boomers I met are good people, like they just care about shooting at other boats with their boats and have some fun. Others... are quite worse. There's an entire clan dedicated to Donald Trump, how fucking cringe is that? I'm more or less undercover in their discord server and oh my fucking god, it's terrible, it's a fucking hellhole. It's THE reactionary shithole.

Some illustrious members of the Warships community, in other words, "Community Contributors" or "popular" streamers in general do like being pieces of shit. One of them, perhaps the most popular, recently called another streamer "a fucking r-word", live, in front of like 700 or more people. Another streamer said "This guy is a fucking r-word, but you know guys, it's actually ok to be a r-word, but it's not ok to be autistic" in front of 100 people because that player did a mistake (The autistic people, to him, are those who play a specific class in the game), plus the guy goes around dropping the r-word at everything because yeah, that's fine. Like what the fuck is wrong with these people, WHY? Why are they like this? Do they have no compassion? Do they have to fucking empathy for anyone? What even is their problem? Why do they get triggered with a FEMALE NPC IN A GAME ABOUT SURVIVAL IN CHERNOBYL? why do they get so fucking triggered when someone does something they don't like?

There are more examples, but these are the most recent. And this is a super specific corner of the gaming world, like STALKER and World of Warships (I bet some of you never even heard of the latter), I know it's even worse among larger and more generic communities. I just don't understand how g*mers sprinted to the right so damn fucking quick...

Oh and let alone the recent peak in sinophobia in War Thunder, a game where a bunch of chinese players go and play in the North American servers. These people are constantly harassed by white westerners who just yell at them "1989 TIANANMEN SQUARE", "FREE HONG KONG" or "TAIWAN REAL CHINA", among other a bit more racist things, the moment they spot one, like wtf are they even doing?

Fuck them.

And I need to go out as well, but fucking COVID won't let me.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Sometimes, hanging out here gets me a little sad because I'm older than the average here (late 30s). Being closer to death means less chance of seeing the death of America or even a real revolution.

    But there are also times when I can smile. Like when you all bring up gamers. I'm juuuust old enough that I never had to experience gamer culture. My high school and college years were spent with 4P N64 games with IRL friends.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I'm in my mid-30's but thankfully I missed out on gamer culture because I had a terrible internet connection and so I made use of bots (back then you probably recall tons of games had community made bots for them). If racist or ableist language truly are gamer words then I entirely missed out on that period, also I was never one to join online communities so I entirely missed the many cesspits that spawned alt-right dirtbags. I actually know someone who's fallen into that pipeline via gaming, and the way he thinks is.....just wow. Any supposed 'SJW' conspiracy he hears about he falls for, for example he believes the female models in mass effect andromeda are hideous because of some SJW conspiracy rather than just the laziness that permeated the entire game (tons and tons of bugs everywhere and bad animations), or that the Star Wars movies are pandering to SJWs, and so on and so unfortunately forth.

  • PaulSmackage [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Its why i play with chat muted 90% of the time. The only consistently cool group of people i played with was an arma 3 clan that was openly communist, and had quite a few trans people in it. Everyone slowly went away from it, sadly.

      • PaulSmackage [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        It was a mix of things. Our zeus had a kid, so he wasn't available to run most of our scenarios, and none of us had the skills that he did. There was also drama between a few of the people. It didnt take long for the whole thing to fall apart. I still play with some of them occasionally, but i don't have a pc anymore, so it's hard to coordinate things with the people left.

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Wow, you people here call everyone racist. It's not racism, they have a completely valid reason for their treatment of Chinese players. They also have a valid reason for their treating Jews badly. Also a valid reason for treating black people badly. Also a really valid reason for treating Middle Easterners badly. Also a really valid reason for treating Roma badly. Also a really valid reason for their treating Latino people badly. Also a really good reason for treating Indians badly. And it's not all non-Western European countries or peoples either! They have some really harsh criticism for anyone who comes from a European country that welcomed refugees and migrants too.

    I mean you people call everyone racist.

  • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Nerd culture was always a home for maladjusted people who bred more maladjustment together, even before video games. The internet magnified this bad culture creation. I think they are aware of how shitty they are, but for the wrong reasons. Technology, capitalism and failed masculinity guarantee the existence of this group imho.

    • Torenico [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I just can't believe how quickly and effectively Fascism got into g*mers. There are, of course, a number of based gamers. Some people I play with range from socdems to Communists and Anarchists. These people are fine :heart-sickle:

        • Torenico [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          I agree, and the moment we became aware of how Fascists/Reactionaries in general operate and what language they use we steer away from these communities, we even stay away from some games because of the sheer abundance of g*mers.

          And yeah, I'm lucky to have found a group of good people to play with, it's a rarity these days...

          But let them keep playing their games, we have to organize.

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Wish there were more leftist gaming communities for specific games. Closest thing to that I found were niche mods to an already niche game.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You know how rich and powerful people tend to be conservative assholes as all the dopamine burns out their empathy circuts?

        Well turns out playing as them and coming to identify as them is close enough to give you those same brain worms. Especially if you are not highly socially integrated and self actualized to start.

      • Parzivus [any]
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        4 years ago

        It worries me a little bit how close I probably was to falling down the Gamergate/anti-SJW rabbit hole. Young enough to think it actually was about ethics in game journalism, lol.
        I'd like to think I have a little too much empathy (or just sanity?) to get a really awful political ideology, but who knows for sure? Spooky shit

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I only play single player and occasionally in person multiplayer. Solves that.

  • p_sharikov [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    WHY? Why are they like this? Do they have no compassion? Do they have no fucking empathy for anyone? What even is their problem?

    They're just poorly socialized. They're basically children who grew out of only the endearing aspects of being a child.

  • Grebgreb [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    One time I was in a Squad game with two Chinese guys in a tow technical in the middle of nowhere and someone actually went out of their way to tk them. We revived them though. The chapo mc server was a breath of fresh air because there's none of that shit and everyone jokes about doing a capitalism with the villagers.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      what's an MC server? is that a type of Squad server

      EDIT: oh I think it means Minecraft

    • Torenico [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I never thought I'd see that name, fl*muu, in this place. But yes, it was him. As he was kicked from the CC program he called "Mr Gibbins" a you-know-what. He's the biggest piece of shit that game has ever seen, a fucking cringelord as well.

      • RangeFourHarry [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I’ve stopped paying attention to WoWs for probably two years now, but yeah, I’m not suprised.

        Though it was fun calling out all the Trump people

        • Torenico [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          They all bunched up in a clan now, "KAG", pretty cringe all around and we beat them like twice in clan battles.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I just don’t understand how g*mers sprinted to the right so damn fucking quick…

    1. All male communities

    2. All male development studios

    3. Entire communities of socially inept people. With the loudest voices being the most socially inept people because visibility and recognisability in a community is determined by activity-level. The most active rise to the top. This group with the highest activity and most recognisability become leadership in the community. A vanguard of sorts, if you will.

    4. Development studios influenced by what they perceive to be the feelings of the community, which are actually the feelings led by this socially inept vanguard.

    5. Development studios begin to become filled with this vanguard of people, who are deeply attracted to the industry because the games being made are being made specifically to be attractive to this vanguard.

    6. The vanguard leads the studios. Games get ever more reactionary. Attract even wider reactionary communities, create reactionaries all by themselves. Create huge reactionary networks of online fans. Create reactionary videomakers. Create reactionary streamers. Create reactionary journalism. All aspects reinforce the problem.

    7. Through polling, studio execs begin to recognise that to make more money they must be less reactionary. Studio execs begin to push back, fighting the reactionary shit because they want to appeal to wider audiences rather than a niche market of reactionaries they've created. In particular they want more women and "normal" people.

    8. This creates a contradiction in gaming. A contradiction between the wishes of the vanguard of the community and the wishes of the business execs. Everyone recognises that this clash occurs both inside studios and outside in the community itself.

    9. The existence of a contradiction and the elevating of the contradiction by the business side creates a reaction. The reactionaries double, triple and quadruple down upon their reactionary behaviour. Gamergate and every instance of reactionary Gamer-drama since it are the series of events I am referring to here. It works however, the business execs were right and their market continues to grow by their actions to push back against the reactionary vanguard.

    10. You are here. Modern gaming. The videogame audience are now a community split completely in half by the reactionary side that we call "Gamers" and the non reactionary side that we call "people who play games".


    Obviously I'm only doing this as a very quick breakdown. I suspect you could write an entire book on the series of events that would lead to this point. I don't mean this to be completely correct but a rough breakdown.

    It really comes down to the vanguard or "power users" if you prefer. The problem of the most active community members rising to the top and becoming your defacto leadership in a community, with that leadership being the most influential in shaping the feedback you get from the community. Studios and their communities listening to and empowering this vanguard is the pivotal point in the history of gaming at which things took the turn towards the reactionary direction of today.

    • Grebgreb [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      The videogame audience are now a community split completely in half by the reactionary side that we call “Gamers” and the non reactionary side that we call “people who play games”.

      I really wish more people would adopt this line of thinking if it's not already prevalent. Even back then I despised the "gamers" even though I couldn't pinpoint exactly what about them rubbed me the wrong way.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I think a lot of people have started to adopt this, mainly through being against "gamer" being an identity... Or even more cringey.. A nation.

  • drhead [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Don't know how helpful this is as advice, but here's how I avoid awful people in most games:

    Step 1: Become a furry. Step 2: Join furry clans/guilds/etc in whichever game

    I've never really had bad experiences this way, furries are usually extremely chill. Though my experiences are still limited, YMMV.

    • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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      4 years ago

      I’ve never really had bad experiences this way, furries are usually extremely chill.

      As a whole, the communities tend to be chill, but can have some extremely dramatic members. Also you'll occasionally get to see random people get absurdly angry at furries.

      Both make for good entertainment if you don't take anything too seriously.