Looks like certain someones are asking for bullets to the head

‘Forces of heaven’: Milei loyalists launch ‘armed' libertarian grouping

La Libertad Avanza supporters, headed by online troll ‘Gordo Dan,’ government deputies and national officials, stage rally in San Miguel to launch new “armed” wing and "praetorian guard" known as "the forces of heaven."

National officials and leading voices from social media platforms identified with La Libertad Avanza (LLA) have launched a new political grouping to “defend the ideals” of President Javier Milei.

"Las fuerzas del cielo” or “The forces of heaven" has the main objective of defending the Javier Milei Presidency and its ideas, according to its organisers. But the style, tone and rhetoric of the event has sparked concern among opposition lawmaker.

Online influencer turned streamer Daniel Parisini, known widely as ‘Gordo Dan,’ was one of event’s key organisers and speakers. Raising eyebrows from government critics, he described the new grouping as the “armed branch” of the LLA libertarians in his speech.

“This is the Praetorian Guard of President Javier Milei. We are his most loyal soldiers who were there from the start and will be there at the end, defending the ideals of our leader Javier Milei and his vision of the country,” declared Parisini.

The launch in the Greater Buenos Aires locality of San Miguel was attended by libertarian writer Agustín Laje, Buenos Aires Province deputy Agustín Romo, Cults & Civilisation Secretary Nahuel Sotelo, national deputy Santiago Santurio (LLA-Buenos Aires Province), University Policy Undersecretary Alejandro Álvarez, among others. The idea behind Las Fuerzas del Cielo is to train leaders who can defend the project headed by Milei in public nationwide.

Sotelo, one of the orators last Saturday night, underlined the importance of winning "the cultural battle" in Argentina in order to consign to the past discussions like Agenda 2030, the environment and other issues which interest “the left." Romo declared: "Do you know why we have achieved what we have? Because victory in war does not depend on the number of soldiers but on the forces which come from heaven." Parallel to the rally, a website was launched to register interested parties and connect them with local “trainers” who can help them spread the libertarian word.

Criticisms

The launch of the event sparked criticism for its violent rhetoric and symbology associated with authoritarian movements like the Nazi regime or the fascism of Benito Mussolini.

Onstage, behind a lectern, were red banners hung with golden letters spelling out slogans and symbols. As well as a four-spoked cross (similar to the Iron Cross used by the Nazi regime) were the words "property," "liberty," "life," "God," "fatherland" and "family," as well as the slogan: "Argentina será el faro que ilumina el mundo (“Argentina will be the beacon lighting up the world”).”

There is a translation problem there. Faro does not strictly mean beacon, but it's actually lighthouse. Lighthouses are obviously avoided by ship captains, if anything, you want to stay far from them because they mean trouble lmfao.

Also mfers having main character syndrome. Nobody looks at Argentina and says "holy shit what a based nation" lol

Yet it was Parisini’s definition of the new grouping as “the armed branch of La Libertad Avanza” that has aroused the most alarm among opposition deputies. Among those criticising the rhetoric were leaders from the centrist Coalición Cívica-ARI, which questioned the self-proclaimed shock troops of the government. Party leader Maximiliano Ferraro warned about the danger of ambiguous attitudes towards democracy, quoting authors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt and their description of "semi-loyal democrats" – people who, although saying that they support democracy, ignore or justify violent or anti-democratic actions.

Socialist deputy Esteban Paulón called on Security Minister Patricia Bullrich to investigate the statements of Las Fuerzas del Cielo, describing them as potential instigation to violence or urban terrorism. “Argentina is a country at peace and with a democratic society,” and requesting immediate action.

Unión por la Patria lower house caucus chief Germán Martínez recalled previous statements to A24 radio, describing the approach as fascist. “I said it then and reaffirm it today: this is fascism. Enough of underestimating the violence of Milei and his entourage. The courts must act urgently before it’s too late,” he said.

I hope they find out soon.

I'm not going to play pretend and say violence is bad and they should stop doing this. No, I want them to continue and suffer the consequences. There's no other way around this, you don't talk with fascists or wannabe fascists, you literally kill them.. but first they have to come out. If we have to draw one lesson from WW2 is that nazis and their friends should be killed, no remorse and no mercy for scum like that. Tito understood this very well .

God I can only wonder what happened there. Guess I'll never know

Have you heard of the High Elves?

That's a very normal discussion people have I guess

FIFA and UEFA to uphold ban on Russia from participating in international competitions at least until the 2026 FIFA World Cup

Meanwhile, FIFA and UEFA member "israel" killed a fuckton of FIFA-registered palestinian players in Gaza, dismantling a FIFA-regulated tournament in the process as well. You can sit comfortably waiting for them to take action against the zionist entity.

death to "israel"

How it started: I WILL NOT MAKE DEALS WITH COMMUNISTS

How it ended:

Show

capitalism DEFINITELY is when no food.

Argentina snubs G20 summit launch of Brazil's global anti-hunger alliance

*Argentina the only G20 country not to sign up to a global anti-hunger initiative set to be launched at the opening of leaders summit in Brazil. *

Argentina was the only G20 country not to sign up to a global anti-hunger initiative set to be launched at the opening of a G20 summit in Rio, host Brazil said Monday. The decision by Argentina – led by President Javier Milei – deepens a political gap between the nation and neighbouring Brazil, whose left-wing President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is championing the Global Alliance Against Hunger and Poverty.

A total of 81 countries signed on to the flagship initiative – including 18 of the 19 nations in the G20 – but Argentina was not among them, according to a communiqué. Its membership is "under negotiation," a source in the Brazilian Presidency told the AFP news agency.

The Global Alliance is an ambitious initiative pushed by Lula, a former steel-worker. It aims to eradicate hunger and poverty by 2030 and reduce inequality. Milei and Lula, whose countries share a border, have had a tense relationship even prior to the Argentine's election last year.

An ally of US president-elect Donald Trump, Milei has imposed radical austerity measures in Argentina to bring down high inflation. The policies sent the poverty rate in the country soaring to 52.9 percent in the first half of this year, 11 percentage points higher than in the previous six-month period.

Milei was the first world leader to see Trump after the Republican's win in the US presidential election. He attended a gala at the Republican's Mar-a-Lago Florida estate last Thursday.

The Argentine leader has several times labeled Lula a "communist" and "corrupt."

The Global Alliance Against Hunger and Poverty also has the support of international organizations such as the European Union and the African Union – both G20 members – as well as financial institutions and NGOs, bringing the total number of signatories to 147. The initiative's goal is ambitious: to reduce world hunger, which affected 733 million people last year – nine percent of the global population – according to the UN.

For Lula, who grew up in poverty before a trade unionist and eventually president of Latin America's biggest economy, the initiative is dear to his heart. At a national level, his left-wing policies have already lifted millions of Brazilians out of poverty.

I sometimes don't even know what they're trying to achieve. Hunger good I guess? It's even worse when we consider that these global programs never really have impact on the matter, because hunger and poverty are essential to Capitalism, but still they have to signal that any kind of movement towards improvement, no matter how insignificant, must be squashed. Just sign the fucking thing you pathetic motherfucker.

death to "israel" btw

The funny thing about sloped armor is that as a concept it wasn't strange to the germans, after all, their battleships used turtleback citadels which relied on sloped armor to bounce off shells coming from a short distance (unreliable against plunging fire). But they decided to ditch this concept for tanks

HANS, MAKE ZE PANZER A BIG FUNNI BOX JA?

It's so Azover

CW: Sexual violence

May Palestine be free. Death to "israel"

Most damgerous man alive who is going to assassinate our Democracy (TM)

We must also have an orderly and peaceful transition of power. The genocide must continue as well.

The word "compound" reminds me too much of fortified houses used as weapon caches or hideouts by the Taliban or iraqi insurgency.

I'll have to ask which Trot parties the PTS is in talks with from Brasil, because I know they have some dialogue going on.

Workers' Cause Party, which is probably best known in the West for openly celebrating the Taliban's victory as a “workers' victory”.

That reminds me of an insanely obscure Trot party from Italy that declared support for ISIS because it's "anti imperialist" and is involved in a direct struggle against the US

It sounds like a joke but some Peronist orthodoxs like Guillermo Moreno believe Trump is a "Peronist without realizing it". They believe in this idea of "Peronizing the World" and that the real struggle is not class struggle but "Struggle of the Peoples", where the main winners are Trump, Putin and the Pope.

I don't think Trump will ever know what Peronism is lmao

And genocides. Wow, can you believe that??

I WISH HIM A SPEEDY DEATH

you're all screwed tbh

Milei talks with Trump, says US is ‘copying' Argentina's 'model’

*Javier Milei speaks with US president-elect Donald Trump, who reportedly describes Argentine leader as “his favourite president”; La Libertad Avanza leader will travel to Republican’s Florida resort on Thursday to attend CPAC forum. *

President Javier Milei declared Tuesday that the United States is “copying” Argentina’s “model,” just hours before he spoke with US president-elect Donald Trump. Milei, 53, revealed that one of his top ministers has held talks with billionaire tycoon Elon Musk, who may win a place in Trump’s incoming government after strongly backing the former reality TV star’s run for the White House.

Argentina’s President made the remarks just two days before he is due to fly to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for a event staged by the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). Milei is expected to meet Trump and Musk while in Florida.

“I understand that it is through lower taxes and not through spurious devaluations that impoverish the population that competitiveness is achieved. In the United States they have already realised this and are copying our model,” Milei said Tuesday at an event organised by the technology company Meta in Buenos Aires.

“In fact, Musk is in talks with [Deregulation & State Transformation Minister] Federico Sturzenegger to see how to deregulate the US economy,” he revealed, referring to his minister in charge of reducing the size of the state. The comments came just hours before Milei spoke with Trump via telephone.

Manuel Adorni, Milei’s spokesperson, revealed in a post on X that the “President of the Nation Javier Milei had a telephone conversation with the president-elect of the United States, Donald Trump.” In his message, the spokesperson revealed details of the 10-minute private call. “You are my favourite president,” Adorni claimed Trump told Milei during their talks.

Trump will 100% impose tariffs on argentinian goods anyways lmao.

Upon learning of Trump's victory last week, Milei congratulated him through messages on Instagram and X. “You know you can count on Argentina to make America great again,”’ he wrote in one of them. Since taking office a year ago, MIlei’s government has embarked upon a fierce austerity campaign, slimming the government, paralysing public works projects, cutting subsidies and laid off more than 30,000 public sector staff on contracts.

Milei spares no praise for both Trump and Musk, the world's richest person and who is expected to wield significant influence in the next US government. By attending the donors' meeting of the conservative CPAC forum at Mar-A-Lago, Milei is snubbing his regional peers and King Felipe VI of Spain, who are meeting on Friday in Ecuador for an Ibero-American Summit. On his return, he will receive French President Emmanuel Macron, who will visit Argentina before participating in the G20 summit on November 18 and 19 in Rio de Janeiro. After the summit, he will host Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni in Buenos Aires.

death to "israel" btw

It's certainly interesting. I know they maintain discussions with other trots parties around the world, like in Brasil, France, Germany and some small groups in the US and even South Korea, but none are even remotely as big or as important as the ones in Argentina. Sometimes they arrenge for visits to share experiences. For example, a group of US Trots came to Argentina to speak with the main Trot party, the PTS, and ended up being invited to a number of protests which they described as "something completely different to what we have in the US". They brought back to their country some of their experiences, including having a distinguished group of militants who are specialized in first aid to assist those in need during protests, especially if it's being repressed. I like that they have this internationalist perspective as well, they have their own kind of 4th International going on right now.

They also became heavily involved in local conflicts regarding ownership of factories, like when PepsiCo wanted to lay off a shitton of workers from their factory and leave, the Trots organized with the workers and ended up taking and occupying the factory. Other factories were occupied by the workers with asistance from the Trots and they still operate to this day as coops, pretty cool. Such experiences are shared with militants from other countries as well. I like them when they do shit like that, it turns out we can get shit done after all. If they could just stop talking about Trotsky for a minute.... lmao

i'm confused by this paragraph. do you mean that the CGT leadership are peronists while the CGT membership are real leftists, and that therefore the leadership haven't called for strikes while the membership have been calling for strikes?

The CGT's leadership, and the leadership of pretty much all of it's unions, are all peronist. The membership, however, varies from union to union. It is mostly peronist but there are leftists here and there. Some unions and ridiculously big, like for example FAECYS, which is the union for all employees related to pretty much any commercial activity, so for example if you're an employee in a store, you're in that union by default. I was a member of that union for like 5 years. That creates a very diverse ideological composition within the union. The leadership, in general, is horrendous. We're talking about a heavily centralized, personalist and bureaucratic unions whose main general secretaries have been in their posts for like three decades lmao, access to positions of power within them is almost out of reach for the common union member, if you fuck around too much you might get a bullet to your head even.

Portions of the memberships have been calling for the CGT to "wake up and call for a general strike", so there is friction between leadership and membership althrought it hasn't matured into anything yet. Unfortunately, many of the union's actions depend on the will of the leadership due to the insane centralization and bureaucracy. Other unions became independent, some are still Peronists but operate outside the CGT's influence and some are leftist, which are slowly growing.

this is pretty much word for what what democratic party elites said about trump in 2016 lol. history really do be rhyming

Yep, I like to draw a lot of parallels between Peronism and the Democrats both as a party (even though Peronism has different parties) and as a movement (and to some extent with Labour in the UK). They're there to squash any kind of leftist movement from appearing and evolving. They're old-fashioned politicians as well, too used to traditional political mechanisms, thinking people like Trump or milei can be defeated by just doing politics and negotiating, or making the common people feel bad about milei because he yells at people. Peronism is a bit different though because they used to take arms against old military governments, so they know a thing or two about being entrenched in a bitter fight for power.

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Hello liberals, I will give my balance on 's Argentina and how things are as of right now, November 2024. But my talk will not be about the cringe ass ancap, I will talk about Peronism and their role as opposition.

As some of you might recall, milei's violent rethoric against "public" education (and I put public on quotes because I have another definition of what is public and what isn't) triggered a nation-wide response from universities as many of them were occupied by the students. Mine was among the first to do so, not unlikely considering it is an historic hotbed for left wing militacy, even though today it's not as good as it used to be.

Anyways, the movement gained traction but, as with many things, the lack of coordination and some... sabotage from within slowly but surely eroded it. It was to be expected, some universities are not really politicized because of course people who study complex mathematics don't have time to read Marx or something, and others have either shit soccdem or peronist leadership and fighting is not for them. My university ended up abandoning the occupation after like 20 days or so, we fought heavily to keep it running but at the end of the day we had to leave it. During the last assemblies, our struggle was directly against peronists and their party structure, who began to attempt to dissolve the movement to "take the fight elsewhere", in accordance with their general policies.

But nothing is really a failure, no matter how bad it looks. There's always experiences to draw upon and lessons to learn. Our lesson is that you just can't trust peronist-aligned groups, no matter how "radical" they may seem, because they have non-revolutionary agendas and are NOT anti-capitalist, they're just reformists who want to play nice and with some rules. The student's leadership in our university is ideologically aliged with the authorities, all are peronists. Then, a professor in one assembly said "There is fear among the authorities that this kind of assemblies might go out of control and become truly democratic and truly horizontal, some people are indeed fighting not for the common good but for their comfort positions". And he, in just a few sentences, described peronism and how they view the struggle against milei.

There has been a very alarming lack of action from the main confederation of unions, the CGT. They are the ones who say "Okay, general strike" and there will be a general strike, their level of reach and organization is unmatched. Unfortunately, the leadership of the CGT and of the many unions that form it are either all peronists or something else, few if any are leftist. The fact they haven't called for strikes in nearly one year of suicidal policies by milei is indeed alarming, it's especially bad considering the CGT has been active and calling for strikes EVEN against former peronist governments. They're nothing but a rotten group of decadent old white men who weaponized class struggle and left it at the mercy of a grotesque bureaucracy.

So if you don't see much action it's because peronism has an interest to cut a deal and keep people away from doing dangerous commie things. They don't want spontaneous organisation by workers where they take matters into their own hands. After all, peronism is anti-communist despite what some confused folks of the Communist Party think, "United Front" my fucking dick and balls lmfao, losers. I believe that peronism understand milei as a temporary anomaly, that things will "go back to normal" once he expires, they're old fashioned politicians who think the new kind of "outsiders" are short lived. Well, the normalcy we once knew is dead, even more when the latest capitalist crisis cycles are getting worse and worse.

They do want to go out to the streets, but only on their terms. Meanwhile they're trying to craft Cristina Fernández de Kirchner back to a presentable leader, as she just assumed control of the Justicialist Party (main peronist electoral party), but she is responsible for getting us into this mess in the first place. Then, once society reaches a point of near collapse, that's when they'll mobilize and cut a deal with the milei government for some sort of "peaceful transition", maybe in the midst of heavy repression like it happened during the December 2001 Riots. Peronism after all is Capital's safe bet when it comes to "social peace".

Therefore, to me it becomes evident that there must be a concentrated effort to organize the working class OUTSIDE the influence of peronism. It's a job that will take years, or maybe not, who knows. The Trots have been doing that fairly well, if anything since the 2000's they've been consistently growing and taking more spaces than before. And while Trots have a shitton of problems, their general stance is a million times better than peronist "we'll give you a better salary XD" policies that reproduce capitalism. Still, agitation becomes necessary and desirable.

Things will continue to decay, milei might "accelerate" the economy for the midterms but that'll make it crash later down the line. I think our goal as leftists is to convince those who felt betrayed by peronism and who hate neoliberalism to join the ranks of Socialism, and I can tell you slowly but surely more people are feeling just like that.

The capitalist would simply steal someone else's bonus points to pass