The poll itself shows the assumption of clear cut borders, though most students do work.
For example in Germany 2/3 of students do work on quite a few have to finance their students on their own. The people who don't work (even though quite a few are privileged) are mostly financing the studies via credit, which delays their class conscious a bit - not till they finish their studies - but till they have to pay their loans back, they get sick, or something interferes with their studies.
As such the real answer for most students would be "proletarian", however even for those who currently don't work the question is: "what part am I?" the answer is not easy. Marx said that it is a myriad of connections and influences which make you part of the working class.
Those influences (but in general not specifically) often stem from the fact that members of the working class are analytically doubly free (free of capital to draw profits from of which to subsist on one hand and on the other free of a bond binding you to a specific plot of land - unlike serfs) and as such are forced to work to subsist and not wither away. A quick test if you are working class or not (I will put capitalists and land lords onto the same category for the sake of the argument) is this: If you would not work for 8 years would anything bad happen to you? If yes you are working class, if not: You are real bourgeoisie and the profits you generate from capital and other streams are higher than the minimum amount necessary for you to subsist.
Clarification: The stratification of classes can't be reduced into the dichotomy between capitalist class and working class, though those are the two class actors according to Marx which expose the contradiction of the system itself and the working class as subject ought to have the power and interest to change the system.
Does this mean that the class interests of petit-bourgeosie and working class are identical? No, however it means that there are different groups and you have to look at the specific social relations to get insight and make arguments from.
One more thing: To put lawyers who earn a lot and "self" employed gig workers and individual contractors who are fake self employed into another category as proles is problematic and neoliberal in itself. Such self employed contractors are used to hide that the working class person is still part of the working class and the reserve army, dividing the solidarity of the people.
Still I like such polls as they are important to get closer to objective points, not that the poll itself is objective, but it is necessary to get insight into the social relations of us (thanks :cia:).
The poll itself shows the assumption of clear cut borders, though most students do work.
For example in Germany 2/3 of students do work on quite a few have to finance their students on their own. The people who don't work (even though quite a few are privileged) are mostly financing the studies via credit, which delays their class conscious a bit - not till they finish their studies - but till they have to pay their loans back, they get sick, or something interferes with their studies.
As such the real answer for most students would be "proletarian", however even for those who currently don't work the question is: "what part am I?" the answer is not easy. Marx said that it is a myriad of connections and influences which make you part of the working class.
Those influences (but in general not specifically) often stem from the fact that members of the working class are analytically doubly free (free of capital to draw profits from of which to subsist on one hand and on the other free of a bond binding you to a specific plot of land - unlike serfs) and as such are forced to work to subsist and not wither away. A quick test if you are working class or not (I will put capitalists and land lords onto the same category for the sake of the argument) is this: If you would not work for 8 years would anything bad happen to you? If yes you are working class, if not: You are real bourgeoisie and the profits you generate from capital and other streams are higher than the minimum amount necessary for you to subsist.
Clarification: The stratification of classes can't be reduced into the dichotomy between capitalist class and working class, though those are the two class actors according to Marx which expose the contradiction of the system itself and the working class as subject ought to have the power and interest to change the system.
Does this mean that the class interests of petit-bourgeosie and working class are identical? No, however it means that there are different groups and you have to look at the specific social relations to get insight and make arguments from.
One more thing: To put lawyers who earn a lot and "self" employed gig workers and individual contractors who are fake self employed into another category as proles is problematic and neoliberal in itself. Such self employed contractors are used to hide that the working class person is still part of the working class and the reserve army, dividing the solidarity of the people.
Still I like such polls as they are important to get closer to objective points, not that the poll itself is objective, but it is necessary to get insight into the social relations of us (thanks :cia:).
8 years? I think the test would work just as well with 1 or 2 years