listen to Historicly podcast, the original thread that triggered this dude is very interesting as usual: https://twitter.com/historic_ly/status/1348365515799093250
The AFL-CIO's collaboration with the CIA and regime change operations abroad undermines unions; pointing it out does not.
Unionism is apparently idealist and utopian social democracy (fascism). This loser crying about fake news is as woke as a Hillary Clinton stan and also as weirdly angry (must reduce cognitive dissonance)
https://twitter.com/WildBillWellman/status/1386031239363129344
Tankies are pretty much anti-labor unions, dedicated to undermining & destroying them.
very weird that he would want to protect social democracy from being "undermined" and "delegitimized" (isn't that a Zionist word?) by actual working class comrades who point out American complicity with nazism and neocolonialism.
Normally I’d never use the c-word but when someone says I’m pro-Pinochet & hurling people from helicopters while also undermining unions, fuck them.
nooo, you can't point out kayfabe! My entire personality is unionism and you need to respect that
Tankies are against unions when they are reactionary, much like how tankies are against "free" speech when it's used to defend reactionary ideologies.
Weird how tankies only have a problem with things when reactionaries are involved.
I'm arriving at the conclusion that there really is no choice but to make a third party. If we are at all going to be serious about this it has to be pointed out that doing your labor work within the dems just brings labor closer to dems, it at best recreates the conditions the democratic party had with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton where that beefed up union power just kept the workers pacified as everything got yeeted off a cliff with leadership's approval.
I have a lot of trouble believing the blind spot is actually that large among left leaders so all the energy being spent to set up those dominoes to fall again is terrifying. It implies Clinton V2 is how they intend to navigate automation or some other impending labor crisis.
That third party used to be the Communist Party, before the Red Scare purged anything to the left of Reagan out of the American culture.
Trades unions are particularly conservative. Much of our manufacturing industry that's left these days are in the military industry complex (or extractive industries) and they pay about 3 times as much as any other place in town (depending where they are you may not even need a college degree). In a lot of small towns it seems like people are faced with this dilemma to either ignore/be uncritical of US foreign policy or recuse themselves of a middle class job, and people tend toward their material benefit. It's a real problem for organizing towards international solidarity. That's why it's so important that a just transition is really producing commiserate jobs. You're not going to get a 53 year old chemical operator making 75-80k per year to climb up roofs installing solar panels for 15 an hour. If our shitty foreign policy is decoupled from people's livelihoods I think a portion of people in these jobs would be much more radical about it.
Love those proud union home signs up on the lawns of certain neighborhoods in my city, yet the precinct is 70-30 for Trump
It's just pure idealism at display. At what point do you address that there's absolutely a betrayal of the working class within union leadership? This is what happens when your whole shtick is performative because all you can ever do is deal with a term like the 'Union' in the abstract. It's no different than libs who think the Democrats are trying their best and it's the evil Rs that are forcing them to behave in a way that is completely beholden to corporate interests.
BGJ's response is anemic. Guy's response is pure misogyny and she says it's a problem of language.
