They release like two or three feature length videos a year with titles like "What Scooby Doo: Cyberchase has to say about parasocial relationships"
The problem with breadtube is that every time a youtuber does something bad they try to associate them with breadtube. I mean, i've seen people calling SDL and Destiny "breadtube". Why? How?
Seriously, "breadtube" doesn't exist at this point, and if it does, it's just like 5 youtubers. Not every youtuber who is friends with Contra is a breadtube. Look at Jenny Nicholson, she is friends with Lindsay Ellis and made fun of a chud book once and now she is supposed to be in the club now?
i just take breadtube to mean leftist youtubers, i don't really think of it as a cohesive group
If you call Hakim or Luna "breadtube" a lot of online MLs will get very mad.
Like, guys, who cares. Only fans use that label. All "breadtubers" have said that they hate it.
Oh no, say whatever you want. As i said, who cares?
Also, making them mad by calling Hakim a breadtuber is the perfect punishment for them being too online. I'm sure even he would find it funny.
yeah I mean i don't care that much either, just wanted to share a funny observation i made about how a lot of leftist youtube videos are overly long analysis of cartoons
That's the thing, it is just a cultural affectation now. Mildly leftliberal perspectives on entertainment are breadtube but so are economic theory videos? It ends up just being a game of who is the more moral or better person because they watch such and such content creator. It not a project, and it was never intended to be by anyone making content, but it was made by fans as a means to turn politics into another series of signifiers
I've been saying for awhile that they fell in the algorithm not because of suppression, but because only uber-fans will click a 3 hour video, which hurts their engagement and pushes their videos down, and infrequent uploaders get punished in the algorithm.
If they actually cared about spreading their message then they would break those three hour videos into a ten minute video every week. When they were doing that breadtube was dominating the algorithm.
I think that's why that Beau channel blew up so fast. I found the guy at like 25k subs and was surprised because he does a lot of bait and switch titles, and he's had a good track record for deradicalization from what I've seen from his youtube comments. I don't agree with him on everything but I think he's a key segment of any left pipeline.
Agreed. I hate Vaush, but it's why he's been so successful. He streams every day and uploads every day and the algorithim blesses him for it. Back when Philosophy Tube did 5-10 minutes videos every week her channel exploded in like a week and only slowed down when she started doing the long and overly artistic videos.
Breadtubers should all be able to make what they want, but I don't want to see them say their difficult-to-understand, infrequent, and long videos are good propaganda.
I agree in principle, but for awhile that's how these people presented themselves and how they gained popularity.
That said, I am not trying to cancel them or anything. I just think it's a bummer.
One channel that IMO does an excellent job with that is Second Thought.
Each video is 10-20 minutes, has high production value, a clear reason to exist, and makes the case in plain English.
Recent good ones: "The CIA is a Terrorist Organization", and "Why The United States Can't Handle Crises"
Second Thought is great. Still wild how different his old vids are.
What even is a breadtube? Is it all left and left-adjacent content on youtube? Is it a political classification, where a breadtuber is a radlib? An aesthetic, meaning all feature-length political video essays that have costumes and bi lighting? Is it a social group, every youtuber who was at Lindsey Ellis's wedding? It's a bit nebulous. Is Hakim breadtube, or Yugopnik? Most people would say no. Is Luna Oi breadtube? Her husband probably is. PhilosophyTube certainly is breadtube, by 3 out of the 4 defintions i listed, but all i can criticize about her vids is what i can criticize about all the stuff on youtube, that it's published on a corporate platform with predatory engagement-maximizing algorithms and that her channel inevitably leads to parasocial celebrity worship.
It's absolutely correct that the nature of the platform and youtube fandoms are in themselves problematic, but at the same time, youtube is too big and too important to stop having a presence there as the left. I wouldn't be here without PhilosophyTube and Non-Compete, and i wouldn't have come across their content without total libs like Lindsey Ellis and ContraPoints. It's expected and good that leftists move beyond most or all of that after a while, but having a radlib to revolutionary leftist pipeline is important, and i think i'm not the only one here where that worked.
Philosophy Tube is good and cool because she is Well There's Your Problem adjacent now.
KillJamesBond is a pod about her and Alice from wtyp watching all the James Bond movies
I don't like breadtube so much because I don't like reactions videos, and like 90% of breadtube is just reading off the idiotic things that right-wing internet personalities say and then explaining to the camera why those opinions are bad.
I already hear enough bourgeois propaganda at work and everywhere else in the real world; I'd rather not spend my free time listening to clips of Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson say idiotic and evils things, even if they're contained into a 50 minute video with the word "critique" in the title.
But in a way it makes sense. If you're a Youtuber dependent on their audience for an income you don't want to piss off any segment of them. Making videos dunking on right-wingers is something that everybody who considers themselves a "leftist" will find little to complain in. Advocating for a cohesive ideology that's not just "anti bad thing" is bound to make some of your subscribers angry when they learn that they're parasocial friend/teacher doesn't actually believe everything they do.
I like Shaun, but yeah it really steamed my beans in his older videos when he'd be dunking on a chud and would start off like "make sure you go watch this Lauren Southern video I linked in the description so you'll know I'm not mischaracterizing any of her arguments"
Very glad he stopped doing that, he was effectively platforming and signal boosting the ghouls he'd make videos about. It's a lesser complaint, but I also hated it when he'd play clips from those videos at all. I'd always skip those sections. I really don't want to hear Lauren Southern or Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson ramble about shit either. Glad he's mostly moved away from doing those types of videos. His new videos are very informative, just sucks he only makes a small handful of them a year.
I like Shaun's personality and agree with his politics a great deal but due to my personal preferences I have not watched much of his recent content because it's almost entirely responses. Responses to the 1776 report, to supporters of the Atomic Bomb dropping, to racists, to PragerU, etc. Shaun does these types of videos the best, but that genre of videos is just so over-saturated.
Maybe this sounds like a lib sentiment, but I want a wholesome leftist channel. One that covers past heroes rather than bastards, and details the good created by past/present socialist experiments rather than the misery created by capitalism. The world is already bleak enough, I'm more motivated by hopes for a better tomorrow, rather than fears that things can get even worse.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Most leftist videos are there to refute the justifications for the worst excesses of the hellworld we live in. But being constantly reminded about how bad things are isn't great for mental health.
There have been a lot of great socialist projects through history, and I'd also like to see more videos covering their achievements.
Why? Did someone actually do that?
"Go watch her videos so..."
"Yeah, sure, whatever, get on with the dunking"
I have to imagine some people did. Probably not his regular audience, but mostly the people who streamed in because the algorithm recommended a Shaun video.
One thing I've noticed with channels in & around the bread space is that, the longer the channels exist, the longer the "recap" video sections become.
I'm not really sure why, but over time it just gets more & more descriptive of... the topic's raw material. To the point where half the video is just explaining what exists.
I mean, some of them have real jobs. Hakim does doctor things as well as throw out a video once a month or so.
this feels like a shot at renegade cut...
i think they are interesting videos OK LEAVE ME ALONE
