The argument that sex work is a fundamentally different category than other work, that no one has ever expressed agency in choosing sex work, the flattening of all sex work into prostitution, the argument that only white imperial women willingly choose sex work and that therefore any woman who chooses sex work is a white lib, that every sex worker is constantly being raped even if they don't know it, the downvoting of sex workers who disagree, the framing that all sex workers need to be rescued, claiming sex work couldn't exist in a socialist/communist society, actively mocking sex worker activists, mass downvoting people who say you should have the right to choose sex work as work, screaming that sex work is never good. All pretty swerfy.
It is a form of violence against sex workers but dont say sex work is rape, it is an extremely bad look. There is economic coercion but that isnt the same as an individual actor having sex with you without your consent.
I'm not denying the suffering of full service escorts buddy. It just isn't rape. Have you talked to any actual sex workers about their lived experiences? Because it doesn't fucking sound like it.
I've done sex work and I've been raped. They aren't equivalent. I dont feel like arguing this out in detail, because I don't feel like triggering myself over some Ben Shapiro "Not an argument" wannabee.
Then you aren't looking because they're absolutely everywhere. It is, no doubt, the vast majority of the thread. Linking seems pointless because it's almost every comment.
the argument that only white imperial women willingly choose sex work
This is an extrapolation from a single comment that argues that sex workers in the imperial core are more privileged and therefore lack perspective when it comes to the specific issue at hand. I don't agree with this but it is in no way saying that only white women choose sex work.
any woman who chooses sex work is a white lib
See above.
that every sex worker is constantly being raped even if they don’t know it
They are saying lots of depraved shit happens in the industry as it currently exists.
the downvoting of sex workers who disagree
Yeah, not a good look.
the framing that all sex workers need to be rescued
They argue that the sex industry is exploitative, yes.
claiming sex work couldn’t exist in a socialist/communist society
Because the conditions that create the need for it will have ended.
mass downvoting people who say you should have the right to choose sex work as work
Instead of pointing out the fact that people who disagree are downvoted, wouldn't it be better to criticize the reasons behind it (e.g. the responses)?
It literally says "exclusively white women in the imperial core" disagree. And it's far from the only comment with that sentiment.
Lots of depraved shit in the industry =/= every single sex worker being a constant rape victim.
All industries are exploitative but that doesn't mean sex workers need rescuing from sex work on particular (discussing one particular segment here, not the many, many people forced into sex work). They need liberation from capitalism.
And I don't see why the conditions for sex work well cease in a communist society. People will want sex and may not be able to get it otherwise. People will want to watch porn. Etc.
And I don’t see why the conditions for sex work well cease in a communist society. People will want sex and may not be able to get it otherwise.
So in our communist society, when we've eliminated money and the need for it, we're going to somehow compel people to fuck incels who otherwise wouldn't?
This comment really demonstrates that you're viewing prostitution from the perspective of the client, not the people being exploited.
People would choose to have sex, that's not "work". It's work when you have sex when you don't want to, which isn't something that anybody would need to do in a communist society. Other kinds of work are things that are necessary, having sex with incels is not one of those things. This is honestly so dumb.
Sex as a commodity wouldn't exist in a communist society, just like any other commodity. But till we have money, some people will choose to engage in all sorts of sex work (that isn't just sex). Being paid for something isn't conditional on hating/being forced into doing it.
I agree with everything you've said. You'll notice my issue was with the OP saying that having sex with people who want it but "can't get it" is somehow going to be a form of work in a communist society.
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The argument that sex work is a fundamentally different category than other work, that no one has ever expressed agency in choosing sex work, the flattening of all sex work into prostitution, the argument that only white imperial women willingly choose sex work and that therefore any woman who chooses sex work is a white lib, that every sex worker is constantly being raped even if they don't know it, the downvoting of sex workers who disagree, the framing that all sex workers need to be rescued, claiming sex work couldn't exist in a socialist/communist society, actively mocking sex worker activists, mass downvoting people who say you should have the right to choose sex work as work, screaming that sex work is never good. All pretty swerfy.
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This feels like you're infantilizing sex workers
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Are you suggesting that sex workers are equally able to understand their situation and consent as children?
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It is a form of violence against sex workers but dont say sex work is rape, it is an extremely bad look. There is economic coercion but that isnt the same as an individual actor having sex with you without your consent.
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Yeah the landlord would be a rapist
Rape is a very serious topic. Be straightforward with your language, dont attempt any sleight of hand.
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Okay buddy.
Even if youre only making comparisons, don't call something rape that isnt actually rape. It cheapens rape.
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I'm not denying the suffering of full service escorts buddy. It just isn't rape. Have you talked to any actual sex workers about their lived experiences? Because it doesn't fucking sound like it.
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I've done sex work and I've been raped. They aren't equivalent. I dont feel like arguing this out in detail, because I don't feel like triggering myself over some Ben Shapiro "Not an argument" wannabee.
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Dude, I'm not a mind reader. You're comment comes off a very different way than you meant it.
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I can't find half these sentiments in the comments. I mean there are definitely yikesy stuff in there but that hardly constitutes a majority.
Then you aren't looking because they're absolutely everywhere. It is, no doubt, the vast majority of the thread. Linking seems pointless because it's almost every comment.
I did look.
This is an extrapolation from a single comment that argues that sex workers in the imperial core are more privileged and therefore lack perspective when it comes to the specific issue at hand. I don't agree with this but it is in no way saying that only white women choose sex work.
See above.
They are saying lots of depraved shit happens in the industry as it currently exists.
Yeah, not a good look.
They argue that the sex industry is exploitative, yes.
Because the conditions that create the need for it will have ended.
Instead of pointing out the fact that people who disagree are downvoted, wouldn't it be better to criticize the reasons behind it (e.g. the responses)?
It literally says "exclusively white women in the imperial core" disagree. And it's far from the only comment with that sentiment.
Lots of depraved shit in the industry =/= every single sex worker being a constant rape victim.
All industries are exploitative but that doesn't mean sex workers need rescuing from sex work on particular (discussing one particular segment here, not the many, many people forced into sex work). They need liberation from capitalism.
And I don't see why the conditions for sex work well cease in a communist society. People will want sex and may not be able to get it otherwise. People will want to watch porn. Etc.
So in our communist society, when we've eliminated money and the need for it, we're going to somehow compel people to fuck incels who otherwise wouldn't?
This comment really demonstrates that you're viewing prostitution from the perspective of the client, not the people being exploited.
Only if you assume that literally no one would ever choose sex work
People would choose to have sex, that's not "work". It's work when you have sex when you don't want to, which isn't something that anybody would need to do in a communist society. Other kinds of work are things that are necessary, having sex with incels is not one of those things. This is honestly so dumb.
Sex as a commodity wouldn't exist in a communist society, just like any other commodity. But till we have money, some people will choose to engage in all sorts of sex work (that isn't just sex). Being paid for something isn't conditional on hating/being forced into doing it.
I agree with everything you've said. You'll notice my issue was with the OP saying that having sex with people who want it but "can't get it" is somehow going to be a form of work in a communist society.
What the fuck kind of definition is this?
What's the difference to you between sex and sex work?
Fucking exactly.