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  • ComradeKingfisher [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Thinking about how during the yearly war games simulating a conflict with North Korea, 80% of the radars we lost were to friendly fire.

    Every single year, it literally took a magic wand to reach the NK capitol and """win""" the war game.

    The commanders kept ordering us to the dumbest fucking locations (partially because there's hardly any good locations to place those things, due to how mountainous the area is), and it took many painstaking hours to plan the route and to let the software execute the route in irl time. So after all this effort, the units would arrive on site, and not two hours later be blown up. We first thought it was because opfor had scouts in the area, but after repeatedly hearing the guys responsible for the arty units execute a fire mission not two minutes before our units got blown up, we got up and had a little chat with them.

    After checking their fire mission history, it turns out the vast majority of our radar losses were from them. I talked to some of the other guys commanding various ground forces, and after recording the locations they lost units at, turns out our arty was responsible for a lot of their casualties too.

    It was fucking absurd. We literally had our locations and routes manually marked and updated on the fucking irl map, and there were in game drones that could tell their controllers if a unit was a friendly. All commanders had to do was check those two things to not murder friendlies. Despite this, the irl officers telling the guys where to shoot would just not fucking check things before ordering a fire mission.

    If it weren't for the civilian contractors being able to use the magic wand tool to revive the units, we would've lost every single radar across the entire army (not to mention dozens of other ground forces) by day 3 of the conflict. Mind you, these radars are absolutely fucking vital, and they're a high value target for a reason. We don't have many of them in service, we don't have many spares in reserve, they take a lot of time to produce, and it takes a lot of time to train a competent crew capable of operating in a neer peer conflict.

    0 fucking communication. Astonishing levels of incompetence. A complete unwillingness to fucking learn from mistakes. A total disregard for the lives they waste. If I hadn't radicalized while serving, the knowledge that my leadership would have gotten me fucking killed through sheer stupidity would've been enough to make me get the fuck out as soon as I could.

    • GingerbreadMan [any]
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      4 years ago

      I do remember that, that was when the US planted coronavirus in Wuhan a few blocks from the hotel they were staying at

      • vccx [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Not throwing shade, are you serious? Is there a likelihood the U.S attempted Korea 2.0?

        • GingerbreadMan [any]
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          4 years ago

          I believe that’s the case. I don’t have concrete proof but the fact that you called it “Korea 2.0” means it isn’t out of the United States’ wheelhouse

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I was in 7th fleet, the one surrounding China's coast and the south pacific. There's talk of bringing a second one in but currently that's the only naval force controlling that entire region. Knowing how it's manned/supplied/maintained, I have absolutely no confidence we'd be able to invade China by its coasts. Russia is friendly to them and hostile to the west so the easier approaches are off limits. They control global manufacturing to the point that I couldn't buy bullets in the US last year because the lead and primers come from China and a minor supply interruption sent the global economy into a panic. I don't even know if it's a paper tiger at this point after losing Afghanistan and Iraq, but the paper bobcat routine of the US military is going to look like the French military marching into World War 1 wearing blue when it loses its first aircraft carrier in a war with an actual navy. If Iran kicks off and they manage to USS Cole one or if a naval engagement with China results in one being hit by the weapons everyone immediately developed to counter them, all of the US power projection is limited to its land bases endangering third-party countries that hate us. We specifically can't win those wars which China will fund because they make everything now.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I love how the aircraft carrier is basically just the same idea as Pearl Harbor, but behind enemy lines.

      "Hey guys, let's put $600billion worth of hardware onto a slow moving target the size of a town."

      • happybadger [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        They're a neat idea in contrast to battleship fleets and I think CVNs could be a remarkable humanitarian platform if it was demilitarised. A floating international airport with a reactor that can power a city and desalinate water for it. That'd be great as climate change intensifies natural disasters hitting poor coastal regions. As a military platform, they were made obsolete as soon as hypersonic flight and nuclear torpedoes were developed. It's six thousand people concentrated in one place with a bunch of carcinogens, fuels, magnesium, and bombs. Damage control is the one area outside of combat medicine I'll give the Navy genuine credit for, but even then the USS Forrestal fire was a minor incident compared to what battle damage would mean. While the risk of that is mitigated by the carrier fleet's screener ships, 7th Fleet is the one where all the ships keep having major accidents. Its op tempo is so high that nobody can train or fully man units or maintain the ships to the standards of other fleets. The planes and helicopters we're supposed to be launching from those carriers/the surrounding airbases are noted for being the ones that fall out of the sky.

        As long as every war is Desert Storm, damn impressive. If it's a Vietnam War decided by exhaustion, a carrier can enable more sorties and air superiority but you just run into the same problems as the WW1 howitzers and the WW2 Norden bombsights. More volume of an ineffective thing won't win you the war unless your goal is being king of ashes. If it's a modern war and drones and specific counter-weapons exist, they're floating radioactive sarcophagi.

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Never forget that the U.S. military rage quit after getting their asses handed to them by a simulated Iran, forced Iran to be nerfed and then won the next round only because of that.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The US Army had never and will never win a war against any country that can't be leveled by B-52s in a week or less.

  • Lil_Revolitionary [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    The United States would have to deploy as much as 80 percent of its Navy and Air Force to win a pitched conflict with China in the South and East China Seas

    Something tells me this isn't reasonable lol. No way the US would give up projecting power everywhere else in the world just to protect taiwan

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    4 years ago

    Lmao so if the US develops new technology that performs under perfect conditions and China decides to not develop in the slightest, the US has a chance. Amazing.

    This is like those martial arts demonstrations where the student moves in slow motion and stands still while the "master" does a whole ass shun goku satsu on him 3 times over.

  • XKEYSCORE [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    if we're realistic no country in the world wins a conflict that involves an invasion of China. Also, China does not have the ability to wage war overseas (yet)

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  • BigAssBlueBug [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I sincerely hope I am nuked and cleansed in righteous chinese flame, thank you for sharing this epic sub :xi-plz:

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    the only thing in this that gives me solace is that our nukes as probably is just as shit a state, so if we actually did try to take the world with us, the probably wouldn't be able to eject from the launch tubes correctly and just auto shutoff or something.

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