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  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    capital will change the definition of white like they have before

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I respectfully disagree, sort of. I mean, I think capital will try and add more to the definition. But white folks have waaaaay too much invested in the current definition, I really don't think they're going to accept it. Even though various Euro minorities have faced oppression in the US, by and large the definition of "white" has been pretty stable for a couple hundred years at least. Sure, there's some fluidity at the margins but I think things are gonna get real ugly as white supremacy wanes. I really don't think white folks are gonna expand the definition, as much as capital might try.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        by and large the definition of “white” has been pretty stable for a couple hundred years at least

        fifty-sixty years I could see being arguable but there was way too much change in the mid 20th century

      • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        by and large the definition of “white” has been pretty stable for a couple hundred years at least

        That's not really true. Italians weren't exactly considered white at the top of the 20th century, Irish not long before that, and not too much longer before that anyone anywhere near the Mediterranean wasn't considered white.

        • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          This is a common "mostly truth" that gets passed around a lot but is missing pieces. Italians were considered white as they were qualified for (lower tiered) entry as US citizens before the 1870 Naturalization act and weren't actually targeted in things like anti-miscegenation laws like Indians and Japanese were (with famous cases), but with key points of nuance:

          1. There was a hierarchy of numerous white "races". You had "Nordics" at the top while Southern Italians, Irishmen, Slavs, and Jews at the bottom, but occupying their own creative "niche". This isn't to say there weren't "ambiguous" cases like Hungarians, Caucasians, Finns, and Turks but now they are all, save Turks, pretty much accepted aside from the racist fringe.

          2. "White" and "Native" occupied the same cultural space. So when nativists were yammering about True Americans and "good white people" getting screwed over by the immigrants, they meant WASPs and everyone else (especially ethnicities associated with Catholics and, at the turn of the century, anarchists/socialists like with Sacco and Vanzetti).

          3. There were certainly "popular" theories that caught on during times of race science and eugenics, like the Italians and Irish sharing ancestry with Africans or Russians sharing ancestry with Asians (Sound familiar?) and whatnot, but the extent of which this caught on with the general populace and for how long is debatable.

          This contradicts the myth of Pan-European harmony that most modern day white nationalists and fascists like to paint of American history with, but it doesn't dismiss entirely that there was some consistent (if arbitrary) basis for what was considered "white". European immigrants have the advantage of being able to blend in easier than African or Asian Americans, which seems to be the ticket. European Jews occupy an "interesting" place in that while they can blend in just as well, the historic antisemitism combined with a perceived "non-European" origin makes them especially hated by white supremacists who view them as deceitful infiltrators.

          In general, I think mainstream white supremacy has largely been replaced with an "American" identity with white supremacist undertones and inert castes, and that will only continue with demographics going the way they are as America's settler-colonial nature isn't going away. For less-mainstream white supremacists (fascists), there's already a schism happening between explicit white supremacists and implicitly racist "Western" supremacists, like with the Proud Boys.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I don't know if there are enough people of to do that with though. The italians were at least european. I think they have just about taken that gimmick as far as it would go.