Radlib entertainment hour. I used to enjoy Virgil's schitck but now I can't stand the detached, sardonic, mocking vibe he takes so much pride in. They platform people like Andrew Yang and Marianne Williamson for (imo) extremely softball interviews. BJG has her moments, no doubt, but more and more it's just looking like she's the face of the 'civilized' left that never goes farther than twitter dunks: a safe person to appear on MSNBC interviews as the leftist whisperer when they need to project consensus for whoever still watches the news.
After the capitol riot they were talking about it and she was talking about how scary it must have been for the “legislators” and giving sympathetic rhetoric for them.
Flattening all distinctions between everyone involved into "fasc on fasc violence" is ridiculous. That's the type of shit that gets anyone who isn't already a leftist to ignore whatever else you have to say. BJG is -- rightly -- trying to pull more people to the left, not just pander to the people already here. There's nothing wrong with some basic human empathy in that context.
Fasc on fasc just refers to police and protestors. The ones who “love and respect our boys in blue, the blue lives matter crowd” attacking the police and storming the capitol. Of course I wouldn’t directly say that to someone who isnt on here or is not a lefty.
I have more empathy for the homeless, the impoverished, people working 2 jobs and still barely affording bills, migrant workers, and others in the working class or lumpen etc. That’s who we should be saying we have empathy for, not millionaires who are austerity hawks and imperialist and racists who don’t have to suffer the same way we do.
Of course I wouldn’t directly say that to someone who isnt on here or is not a lefty.
OK, consider that the Bad Faith audience (or at least the audience they're aiming for) isn't here and plenty of them are probably more radlib than lefty. I doubt they were expressing much sympathy for the cops, anyway.
"Congresspeople are all fascists and get the wall" makes you look like a crank to anyone who isn't already a leftist. If you're at all concerned about convincing enough people to become leftists that we have a real chance at achieving socialism, you wouldn't rip people trying to do exactly that over something as mundane as "wow that fascist mob must have been scary."
She made a big point about “I can drop the Democratic for Democratic socialist now.” Then turns around and has misplaced empathy for the very people who helped sabotage the Bernie campaign, won’t raise the minimum wage, won’t provide nationalized healthcare, aren’t going to fix infrastructure, isn’t going to house the homeless, close all military bases and end the imperialist venture.
It’s not just about making people leftist. Sure, we need to bring more and more people to the left, but the masses aren’t all going to. If you tie in why someone’s life is in misery and why their conditions are the way they are due to the ruling class gerontocracy and corporatism, they can become sympathetic. Especially as we see an increase in proletarianization of the “middle class.”
You don’t start to build class consciousness of the masses by saying “feel sorry for the people making your life hell.” You teach, educate, and explain to people what it is that capitalism does to them and who is profiting off of their labor. You can’t force it down their throats. They have to recognize it from their own experiences living under capitalism.
Not every one of your emotional responses needs or can be mediated through your ideology. Nobody lives like that, sometimes you see something happen and react to it without first analyzing the class dynamics of it
You’re right, but she’s a public figure and was involved in politics and is on a politics style podcast. If she’s a “socialist” then she should have an analysis and a critique bigger than “oh no the ruling class” especially a week after the fact.
i'm inclined to agree with you, but i'm gonna be honest, talking about who deserves the wall is crank shit. we're cranks. no need to get grouchy about it.
I don’t care what a socdem says. ever since her bad faith about the capitol riots being “scary” for bourgeois ruling class scum
I don't listen to podcast, what's that about?
It’s about her and Virgil gradually becoming trots
Virgil JUST went on a rant about how much he hates trots, at least pretend you know what you're talking about
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Radlib entertainment hour. I used to enjoy Virgil's schitck but now I can't stand the detached, sardonic, mocking vibe he takes so much pride in. They platform people like Andrew Yang and Marianne Williamson for (imo) extremely softball interviews. BJG has her moments, no doubt, but more and more it's just looking like she's the face of the 'civilized' left that never goes farther than twitter dunks: a safe person to appear on MSNBC interviews as the leftist whisperer when they need to project consensus for whoever still watches the news.
After the capitol riot they were talking about it and she was talking about how scary it must have been for the “legislators” and giving sympathetic rhetoric for them.
...That sounds like a completely normal expression of empathy. "Man, having a bunch of fascists ready to lynch you must have been scary."
I don’t feel bad for fasc on fasc violence or on the bourgeoisie and ruling class. They deserve the wall.
I mean you can be empathetic for Pelosi, Pence, Schumer, McConnell, etc., if you want. But I won’t waste the energy.
Flattening all distinctions between everyone involved into "fasc on fasc violence" is ridiculous. That's the type of shit that gets anyone who isn't already a leftist to ignore whatever else you have to say. BJG is -- rightly -- trying to pull more people to the left, not just pander to the people already here. There's nothing wrong with some basic human empathy in that context.
Fasc on fasc just refers to police and protestors. The ones who “love and respect our boys in blue, the blue lives matter crowd” attacking the police and storming the capitol. Of course I wouldn’t directly say that to someone who isnt on here or is not a lefty.
I have more empathy for the homeless, the impoverished, people working 2 jobs and still barely affording bills, migrant workers, and others in the working class or lumpen etc. That’s who we should be saying we have empathy for, not millionaires who are austerity hawks and imperialist and racists who don’t have to suffer the same way we do.
Bourgeoisie and the ruling class get the wall.
OK, consider that the Bad Faith audience (or at least the audience they're aiming for) isn't here and plenty of them are probably more radlib than lefty. I doubt they were expressing much sympathy for the cops, anyway.
"Congresspeople are all fascists and get the wall" makes you look like a crank to anyone who isn't already a leftist. If you're at all concerned about convincing enough people to become leftists that we have a real chance at achieving socialism, you wouldn't rip people trying to do exactly that over something as mundane as "wow that fascist mob must have been scary."
She made a big point about “I can drop the Democratic for Democratic socialist now.” Then turns around and has misplaced empathy for the very people who helped sabotage the Bernie campaign, won’t raise the minimum wage, won’t provide nationalized healthcare, aren’t going to fix infrastructure, isn’t going to house the homeless, close all military bases and end the imperialist venture.
It’s not just about making people leftist. Sure, we need to bring more and more people to the left, but the masses aren’t all going to. If you tie in why someone’s life is in misery and why their conditions are the way they are due to the ruling class gerontocracy and corporatism, they can become sympathetic. Especially as we see an increase in proletarianization of the “middle class.”
You don’t start to build class consciousness of the masses by saying “feel sorry for the people making your life hell.” You teach, educate, and explain to people what it is that capitalism does to them and who is profiting off of their labor. You can’t force it down their throats. They have to recognize it from their own experiences living under capitalism.
Not every one of your emotional responses needs or can be mediated through your ideology. Nobody lives like that, sometimes you see something happen and react to it without first analyzing the class dynamics of it
You’re right, but she’s a public figure and was involved in politics and is on a politics style podcast. If she’s a “socialist” then she should have an analysis and a critique bigger than “oh no the ruling class” especially a week after the fact.
i'm inclined to agree with you, but i'm gonna be honest, talking about who deserves the wall is crank shit. we're cranks. no need to get grouchy about it.
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