the Dems would currently be boxed in between their rhetoric claiming to believe that healthcare is a human right vs their actions voting against the bill that would make it so
Imagine thinking this would matter. We have that video---a video!---of Biden telling Ady Barkan that he'd waive vaccine patents, and yet, shockingly, Biden has not done so!
That's a misreading of not only what I said, but also of what the effects of that vote will be. The contradictions are pretty dang exacerbated already! If you want to throw a sheet of paper onto a bonfire and say you've added heat, I won't stop you.
The effect of the vote would be a creation of momentum, and a glimmer of hope which is needed to move broad layers of the population in to action.
The contradictions are pretty dang exacerbated already!
The objective conditions, yes, but we also need the subjective conditions. Socialists are in the business of changing the working class from a class-in-itself, to a class-for-itself, as Marx writes. Which means that the emmiseration of the working class won't automatically lead to the change we want, but that we need to organise them in to a conscious political actor.
It's not to much to ask of elected socialists to play their part in that process.
simply think that many of the folks behind FTV are for whatever reason operating in bad faith
Why?
And by the way, even if that's true (which I haven't seen an indication for personally), their critique is still correct. The squad refuses to use their leverage, refuses to take up a leadership role in the social struggle (which they have to do, given their position) and are in material effect no different than general democrats accept for the fact that their refusal to act is demoralising for the left.
If Russiagate is QAnon for libs then Force The Vote is QAnon for comrades
Agreed.
Imagine thinking this would matter. We have that video---a video!---of Biden telling Ady Barkan that he'd waive vaccine patents, and yet, shockingly, Biden has not done so!
Imagine being a leftist and not believing that exacerbating the contradictions of capitalism trough struggle is a good thing.
That's a misreading of not only what I said, but also of what the effects of that vote will be. The contradictions are pretty dang exacerbated already! If you want to throw a sheet of paper onto a bonfire and say you've added heat, I won't stop you.
The effect of the vote would be a creation of momentum, and a glimmer of hope which is needed to move broad layers of the population in to action.
The objective conditions, yes, but we also need the subjective conditions. Socialists are in the business of changing the working class from a class-in-itself, to a class-for-itself, as Marx writes. Which means that the emmiseration of the working class won't automatically lead to the change we want, but that we need to organise them in to a conscious political actor.
It's not to much to ask of elected socialists to play their part in that process.
There are none in the US congress. They're all socdems. Remember?
If that's your perspective, why are we arguing? You should be fine with #forcethevote criticizing them.
I simply think that many of the folks behind FTV are for whatever reason operating in bad faith, and so I criticize them for it.
Why?
And by the way, even if that's true (which I haven't seen an indication for personally), their critique is still correct. The squad refuses to use their leverage, refuses to take up a leadership role in the social struggle (which they have to do, given their position) and are in material effect no different than general democrats accept for the fact that their refusal to act is demoralising for the left.
Because every time I hear them talk about this shit, the arguments are just bad and illogical.