Consumer side activism works best on a small scale, where the impact is very clear and obvious. As it scales up the effect of your activism becomes obscured since the boycotters becomes a smaller % of the market. The number of people going vegan (predominantly in the global north) does not out number the growing markets in developing countries. Major production companies are still gaining customers on a global scale due to globalization

Obviously go vegan, but expecting real change out of nothing but a dietary choice is unrealistic. Direct action through other means like legislation etc. will be more effective both in the short and long term

On the small scale though I do believe it is effective. If you get your entire friend group or community to boycott a family restaurant that supplies the meat from their farm you will be having a real effect on those animals.

This is not carnist apologia, obviously they SHOULD go vegan, but a vegetarian or carnist participating in direct action, physically saving or improving animals lives has a more profound impact than vegans who simply refrain from picking up already dead animals from their grocery store.

my POV. Thoughts?

  • DashEightMate [any]
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    4 years ago

    I mean yeah thats why this comm supports animal liberation as a whole and groups that advance that through direct action like the ALF etc.

    • AMTHUG [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, I’m kinda directing this as a convo about the wider vegan movement, and some people here that over emphasize the importance of the diet in relation to direct action. Obviously GO VEGAN, but some people have actual needs for non-vegan medicines/have mental issues like OCD or autism that make a large change like that extremely difficult

      I’m vegan but attacking / banning comrades who are ideologically aligned with animal liberation but differ in the aspects of how to achieve that confuses me since ultimately we share the same goal

  • AMTHUG [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    a really small scale example of what I’m talking about is the Amish in my area have a little market where they sold milk/butter from their cows and eggs from their chickens aswell as handmade apparel to a few dozen people. Me and a few ppl got together and explained to them if they stopped selling animal products we would all buy their other stuff to make up for the loss

    Sure it’s not exactly a huge thing but the cows/chickens weren’t as heavily strained. Since they weren’t producing for an extra 100 or so people. Plus the Amish treat them far better than any industrial farms.

      • AMTHUG [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Well this was a year ago and they don’t sell animal food products anymore. They still sell apparel from cows and horses that died naturally, which I don’t have a HUGE issue with since in my culture making full use of a deceased animal is a sign of respect in a way, the animal still lives on past it’s death.

        But most farmers and community members buy their jackets, scarves, baskets, and such since they are legitimately well made and supports them.