It's also in my experience the most terminally online leftists are the ones going online complaining about other people not voting instead of like actually doing organizing. I certainly don't see a lot of them outside the internet or when doing things that actually matter instead of putting a piece of paper in a box thinking it changes anything.
well by voting for biden, america will only do 99.99% genocide instead of 100% genocide under trump
america will only do 99.99% genocide instead of 100% genocide
I don't even know if that's true.
It seems that a vote for Biden is a vote for 200% genocide abroad, while a vote for Trump is for 100% more genocide at home.
We perceive Trump as more dangerous because he's expressed a strong desire to bring imperialism back within the Core. But if you look at his foreign policies, was anything under Trump even remotely as horrific as Obama's wrecking of Libya and Syria or Biden's holocaust in Ukraine? Even the shit at the US/Mexico border pales in comparison to the nightmares Obama/Biden inflicted in Haiti and continue to sponsor in the Philippines.
I think you're forgetting that Trump was the one that pushed for and moved and the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and then formally recognised Jerusalem to be the Capital of Israel in 2017 against tons of pushback. He was actively instigating this.
I don't think that's any indication of the degree of genocide he would support. The precedent is clear, if you're president of the USA you 100% support Israel and anything Israel does.
Obama's droning was bad but don't let Trump fool you. He stopped the mandatory reporting of drone strikes, but not the actual drone strikes. And of course once Biden became president none of the libs thought it was necessary to start reporting them again.
He stopped the mandatory reporting of drone strikes, but not the actual drone strikes.
Oh sure. He signed off the mission to bomb our own airfield in Iraq to kill a diplomatic party visiting from Iran. He sponsored numerous coups in Latin America. Dude rubber stamped a long tradition of fascist foreign policy.
But nothing on the scale of Libya, Ukraine, or Israel.
Trump also made the situation in Cuba, the sole AES state in the Americas beyond Chiapas, far far worse. Biden hasn't intensified it but also hasn't made it less bad, so, they're both overwhelmingly negative in that regard.
Trump also made the situation in Cuba, the sole AES state in the Americas beyond Chiapas, far far worse.
Worse than the 90s? Idk. Its very hard to get a read on what's happening in Cuba when I'm not being inundated with pictures of Miguel Díaz-Canel at a sit-in with captions like "This Man Yearns For Freedom". Trump rolled back a bunch of the milquetoast reforms implemented under Obama, which definitely sucked. But I don't see much to suggest he subjected Cuba to anything like what Puerto Rico or Haiti endured under Obama.
Nope, I have to tell you flatly that it is a second special period there. For more information and context watch The War on Cuba by the Belly of the Beast Collective. Ever since the US has been buying Venezuelan oil and Trump made the blockade worse it's been harder to do anything and 400k Cubans have emigrated every year.
Without the communist party at the helm and it's good governance things would be so, so much worse; but things are still bad for the average person.
That's deeply depressing.
The War on Cuba by the Belly of the Beast Collective
Executive produced by Oliver Stone and Danny Glover? No shit, I'll definitely check that out.
i'm excited to see this meme every 4 years until the collapse of america because the democrat strategy has been "vote for lesser evil! this is the most important election of our lifetime" do horrible things "vote lesser evil again! have i mentioned this is the most important election of our lifetime?" do horrible things again. realistically, what is the correct option here? both trump and biden will funnel outrageous sums of money right into "israeli" bombs to be dropped on palestine. so lets just vote for the genocide supporter that pretends to care about queer people in america, as opposed to the genocide supporter that doesnt like queer people in america? you do realize that as long as democrats are getting their votes, no matter what your or my opinion about them is, they'll see absolutely no reason to change their ways? but what do i know, im just a "terminally online leftist" who spends all of my waking hours organizing instead of shilling genocide joe on the internet.
I disagree. Every 16-20 years, they will have a candidate who isn't the 'lesser evil' but someone who everybody loves and will definitely change things for the better! Oh it was the same thing the Republicans wanted to do but with an inspiring speaker at the head, oh golly gee I can't believe it happened again!
There is this twitter thread from George Takei where he says "we vote as a prayer" and it made me so angry I still think about it now months since I've seen it, because he doesn't even believe in prayer to a higher power able to effect change (AFAIK, please correct me if I'm wrong). So he literally says voting doesn't work but dresses is up as like this solemn and mindful act that you are obligated to do regardless of whether you believe in it or not.
Edit: also the deification the US system. That is the word I was looking for. The unchangeable, powerful, benevolent governmental structure that the citizen should pray to by casting their votes
Guy spent his childhood in a Japanese internment camp during ww2. If anyone should know how useless US electoralism is it should be him.
Leftists-to-Liberals: "Our long term plan is to organize the neighborhood in an effort to incorporate the lumpen proletariat into the workforce, guarantee a basic living standard for everyone, and unshackle ourselves from the reliance on global militarized corporate capital. But our first big step is to discharge all these burdensome financial obligations and institute some basic civil services like health care, education, and public transit."
Liberals-to-Leftists: "None of that is possible. Its all too hard, unless you have a big government daddy to handle it for you. Your plan is doomed from the start and I'll be damned if I'm going to participate in any way."
Leftists-to-Liberals: "Nevertheless, we're going to try on our own."
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Liberals-to-Liberals: "Leftists never try to do anything."
Leftists are that scene from Interstellar while liberals are
until the heat death of the universe.The difficulty is demonstrating to libs that change is possible. My hope is that once that happens, at least some of them will realize this futility mindset was always nonsense. We gotta get some small wins to build momentum, to break people out of their complacency.
The difficulty is demonstrating to libs that change is possible.
Typically by doing all the heavy lifting - the organizing, the popularization, the legislating, the bureaucracy, the enactment, the enforcement, the struggle with opposition, the re-legislating and re-bureaucratizing as you iron out the kinks. And then, once a policy is firmly entrenched in the status quo, liberals can support it. At which point they rewrite the history books to take all the credit.
We gotta get some small wins to build momentum, to break people out of their complacency.
We have a long history of wins, big and small. Everything from Social Security to LGBTQ Rights to Green Energy R&D to the modern Anti-War Activist Movement starts with leftist agitation and organizing. But lots of people are going to be complacent by construction. Getting the kind of education and free time to work with the necessary knowledge and expertise isn't easy or cheap. You shouldn't expect every lay schmoe to have a working understanding of advanced socio-economic theory. That's the whole reason for the Vanguard Party.
The ultimate struggle is not with complacency but outright violent opposition. From liberal police departments tearing up homeless camps to liberal legislators stonewalling activists to liberal media magnets launching massive disinformation campaigns in order to discourage participation in left-wing causes. It is, in effect, a war between Vanguards. And the biggest hurdle for Imperial Core Leftists is the wealthy, entrenched capitalist opposition.
It's a coincidence that libs make use of stonetoss comics, right? It's a coincidence right?
Who do they think is currently funding the bombing of Palestine?
Every time a leftists goes online the revolution happens a couple of seconds later
every time you log in, a coffee farmer starves to death. Still think Lemmy is a good idea?
if terminally online socialists actually could sway elections to the point of crowning the next king of america, then you'd see politicians smacking loaves of bread with Das Kapital claiming they're conquering bread in a looney toons attempt of winning our votes to crown them vicar of christ.
reality is that socialists of all ideological threads has no influence on american politics and being a shitlib wokescold crying about us not voting for your marionetted corpse-emperor is your Id frantically searching for a scapegoat to burden the sins of the world upon to placate and soothe your ego with a panacea balm in order to blind yourself to the fact you are the reason you lost as there is ephemeral differences between the political party you consider your enemy and the political party you chose to lionize, you absolute corncob
But the elections haven't even started. People are making demands for who they will vote for. That's how a democracy works. You listen you get the vote. What good is never asking for anything and still voting do? Y'all lost roe v wade and sat on your ass lol. Who isnt doing anything of worth here?
Oh no a stontoss meme, I now have no choice but to vote for someone committing genocide
Even touching Stonetoss' material ironically fails for the reason that ironic alex jones remixes fail: There is no such thing as bad publicity
Anyways, I wouldn't be doing that to help palestine, or even just own the libs, i'd be doing that to own Americans. This place blows, our people are a bunch of knuckle draggers, and the only thing keeping me from actively wanting what's worst for them since they're so godawful to work with and incapable of cutting the shit is the whole "having to prop up people I hate even worse because they'd do the most damage" factor. Hope this helps
Volunteering to get behind stonetoss in the cultural human centipede.
There is no such thing as bad publicity
Here's the thing though, is Stonetoss even still around? All the memes I see using his comics are years old, does he even make new content anymore? The memes using his material are more popular than his actual original material. It seems the parody has usurped the original from where I'm sitting.
I haven’t really been paying attention but I think his fanboys still dogpile anyone who namedrops him on twitter? Happened to me about a year ago.
does he even make new content anymore?
yes (i simply looked at the web archive of his website to confirm he has posted comics recently)
You’re not a real leftist if you don’t at least bask in the absurdity that is US electoralism from time to time
My new line is that if I don't get to vote for who I actually want to win, then I already don't live in a democracy and resolving that should be a higher priority than doing some sham voting.
Im not voting for genocide Joe. I guess they better run someone who doesn’t want to support ethnic cleansing if they want my vote. I don’t really give a shit what else you have to say about that. Tough luck, I guess.
I will continue to organize with other folk in my community, where and when I can. Reading posts on here in my downtime at work and in bed isn’t really going to change that, sorry.
for president
