The occupiers do not get to dictate how the resistance fights. Allow Palestine to arm and train armed forces akin to the IDF and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to give battle on the open field. Until then, Palestine will resist in the few ways open to it.
Are we talking about practical or ethical side of it? From the ethical standpoint it seem pretty obvious that just blowing up random civilians is not a good look. Like you could argue that it's an "ends justify the means" thing but I don't see a scenario where those rocket attacks help Gaza in any way.
I agree it's a terrible look, and I would do the exact same in their position. They're not sending bombs because of who they are or their ideology, they're sending them because it's the only option they have on the table.
Their only option for what? They've been chucking those shitty rockets for twenty years now without any positive effect unless you consider killing some russian grandma in Ashkelon a positive effect.
What I'm saying is that this strategy of killing ruffly one Israeli civilian a year with rockets has been tried for twenty years and has always had the opposite effect.
How is this bad faith? People are telling me that an Islamist organisation killing innocent Jews with rockets for twenty years without any positive results for the people of Gaza to show for it is ok, actually. Weird takes about Israeli civilians have been a staple of this community since reddit days.
Fuck I hate when people like you try to pick apart Palestinians shooting rockets like its some fucking wonk policy decision that has to be analysed, its effectiveness weighed up.
Theyre a goddamn occupied, colonised people fighting back. I don't need "positive results" to be accounted for. "Never in history has violence been initated by the oppressed. How could they themselves be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence." - Paulo Freire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel says "2014, 26 Israeli civilians (four of them minors) and two foreign nationals were killed in Israel by Palestinian rocket and mortar fire. In addition, five soldiers were killed, three in Israel and two in the Gaza Strip. Another Israeli civilian and three foreign nationals were killed by rocket fire at settlements in the Gaza Strip, before they were evacuated."" That's about 32 civilians in ten years. United States press makes the rocket attacks seem like a huge deal.
People said the same kinds of things when the IRA were setting off car bombs in London, but thr Irish Republic might not exist were it not for those acts of resistance.
Not saying that I'm a brilliant military strategist and you should take me at my word, but there's definitely historical parallels.
This is a sidetrack, but the goals of the IRA during the carbombs-in-London era (as distinct from the IRA of 1919-1922) was to absorb the six counties of the north into the Republic, not to preserve/establish the Republic.
I understand that terrorism sometimes brings results desired by its perpetrators and it's not easy to judge whether that would happen or not but I dunno, this particular rocket flinging strategy has a twenty year long record of not working. Maybe I missing something...
I dunno, I feel pretty confident judging people randomly chucking rockets in the direction of major cities.
The occupiers do not get to dictate how the resistance fights. Allow Palestine to arm and train armed forces akin to the IDF and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to give battle on the open field. Until then, Palestine will resist in the few ways open to it.
Are we talking about practical or ethical side of it? From the ethical standpoint it seem pretty obvious that just blowing up random civilians is not a good look. Like you could argue that it's an "ends justify the means" thing but I don't see a scenario where those rocket attacks help Gaza in any way.
I agree it's a terrible look, and I would do the exact same in their position. They're not sending bombs because of who they are or their ideology, they're sending them because it's the only option they have on the table.
Their only option for what? They've been chucking those shitty rockets for twenty years now without any positive effect unless you consider killing some russian grandma in Ashkelon a positive effect.
Their only option to create any kind of negative disincentive for Israel strong enough to prevent a slaughter. What's your suggestion?
What I'm saying is that this strategy of killing ruffly one Israeli civilian a year with rockets has been tried for twenty years and has always had the opposite effect.
So what's your suggestion?
Doing something else maybe?
Thanks for your input
Shut up
Antisemitic left strikes again.
No seriously, shut the fuck up
So now we know your previous arguments weren't just ignorant, but in completely bad faith. get the fuck outta here
How is this bad faith? People are telling me that an Islamist organisation killing innocent Jews with rockets for twenty years without any positive results for the people of Gaza to show for it is ok, actually. Weird takes about Israeli civilians have been a staple of this community since reddit days.
Fuck I hate when people like you try to pick apart Palestinians shooting rockets like its some fucking wonk policy decision that has to be analysed, its effectiveness weighed up.
Theyre a goddamn occupied, colonised people fighting back. I don't need "positive results" to be accounted for. "Never in history has violence been initated by the oppressed. How could they themselves be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence." - Paulo Freire
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The extent of the rocket attacks are grossly overestimated by Americans. They killed 0 for several years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel says "2014, 26 Israeli civilians (four of them minors) and two foreign nationals were killed in Israel by Palestinian rocket and mortar fire. In addition, five soldiers were killed, three in Israel and two in the Gaza Strip. Another Israeli civilian and three foreign nationals were killed by rocket fire at settlements in the Gaza Strip, before they were evacuated."" That's about 32 civilians in ten years. United States press makes the rocket attacks seem like a huge deal.
People said the same kinds of things when the IRA were setting off car bombs in London, but thr Irish Republic might not exist were it not for those acts of resistance.
Not saying that I'm a brilliant military strategist and you should take me at my word, but there's definitely historical parallels.
Including most Irish Republicans.
This is grossly misinformed. The Irish Republic had existed for decades before car bombs in London. That's not what The Troubles was about.
You're right. I meant to say that the Irish republic would not exist as it is.
This is a sidetrack, but the goals of the IRA during the carbombs-in-London era (as distinct from the IRA of 1919-1922) was to absorb the six counties of the north into the Republic, not to preserve/establish the Republic.
Damn. They should have set more car bombs.
IN MINE CRAFT.
I understand that terrorism sometimes brings results desired by its perpetrators and it's not easy to judge whether that would happen or not but I dunno, this particular rocket flinging strategy has a twenty year long record of not working. Maybe I missing something...
Hamas bad. Fatah good.
If they stop they will still be murdered. I am not comfortable judging them.