• Vampire [any]
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    3 years ago

    Completely insincere.

    Just throwing shit out to see of it sticks.

    No way he takes this point seriously himself.

  • Lucas [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I'm sure glad nonwhite Jews aren't accosted and subject to segregation in Israel.

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/1392171600024326146

    Israel's propaganda apparatus using both pro-woke and anti-woke framing is really the quintessential example of how both sides of the culture war can be weaponized for the same cause.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I prefer the term "spectacle". The spectacle consumes reality and destroys its history. It takes movements grounded in reality and struggle against they system and integrates them into the zeitgeist in a "safe" way

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Not "a spectacle", it's been digested into the spectacle. Which basically means that the struggle has become a weapon against the actual LGBTQ+ movement. Like Lenin's intro to State and Rev,

            During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.

            The spectacle of revolution/movements is the vulgarized form. It's the utilization of liberation language in service of oppression. It's the capitalization of anti-capitalist struggle. It's the total absorbtion of a struggle that seeks to upend the system into the system itself.

            The original struggle still exists, but the coverage and visibility of it will be filtered through the spectacle.

              • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Highly recommend Society of the Spectacle and Comments on Society of the Spectacle (both on Libgen). Debord can be hard to understand, but he occasionally says something that just makes the systemic nature of "spectacle" click.

                But essentially yes, he also constantly brings up the "theory is the enemy of ideology" which basically means that using revolutionary language derived from ideology is meaningless without having the revolutionary theory to back it up.

                So people using the language of revolution in an ideological manner are contributing to the vulgarization of the revolutionary theory and building up the spectacular version of the struggle.

                (In this case, applying the surface level aspects of anti-racism without any actual analysis of the conditions and history of the situation in which it's being applied)

                  • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    No he's just really obtuse when he talks about it and it sounds like he's dunking on theory. I misread that part when I posted it here.

                    He does say that theory is pointless without political praxis though, which kinda goes without saying.

                    praxis > theory > ideology

  • Rem [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    It's a bit it's a bit it's a bit I murmer to myself as I claw at my scalp

  • comi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    In the pursuit of not seeing race, some libs now only see race :pika-cousin-suffering:

  • prismaTK
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    8 months ago

    deleted by creator

  • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]M
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    3 years ago

    Just don't go on Twitter. The amount of time you'll spend wanting to claw your eyes out will decrease by 80% or more.

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    the Colorism Inherent In Middle Eastern Society. So...he's saying that people in the Middle East are naturally subservient to white people?

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      The grain of truth is that darker skin is discriminated against in some countries in the middle east, and around the world. This is a direct result of European settler-colonialism, which Zionism is an extension of.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    3 years ago

    Brother, if you want to paper bag test all Israeli colonizers and all Palestinians, I assure you the Arabs will win that brown-off you fucking dickhead. That's not because Jews are All White, it's because almost half of Israel's Jewish population are Ashkenazim because the country didn't exist a hundred years ago.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      "Palestinians are being robbed, brutalized, and butchered."

      "Who cares? Did you know Israelis are unseasonably tan?! I would never let one into my country club."

  • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I feel like trying to weigh the relative whiteness of Jews and Palestinians isnt very helpful, but I might also be an idiot.

    While I'm at it...

    Why are so many liberals absolutely willing to dissect gender and accept people's efforts to live outside of its constraints, but they treat race as real, black and white, and absolutely deterministic?