All other shit aside, the "rules of war" that the international community agrees on says that any person has a right to defend themselves from attackers in their own nation. The UN and the world recognizes Israel as a sovereign nation, of course.

However, any person (ANY person) who chooses to defend their (legal) home and picks up arms against the perceived invading force (Israelis vs Hamas militants here) goes from the designation of civilian ie illegal to kill (under the law) to a legal combatant at that time (thus legal to kill). It doesn't matter if they were an IDF veteran, a US military vet, never touched a gun in their lives, doesn't matter.

Per the law, for whatever it matters, and liberals proclaim to LOVE laws, if you are invaded and pick up a gun and defend yourself and are shot dead by the invaders you were a legal combatant for them to kill. If you do not pick up arms and are killed you were a civilian and it's a war crime to kill you. There are also laws regarding the detention of combatants vs civilians. It's legal to take POWs, but they must be treated in certain ways, all that stuff.

This was a bit of a tangent, but, people (Israelis mostly) seem to be under the impression of "but they were under attack and picked up a rifle and shot back! But they were a civilian!" No. It's either or.

Also, every single person killed by Israel inside of Gaza is a war crime under international law since it is illegal to kill people in an occupied territory. There isn't some exception for "but Kkkkhhhhamas!" It is legal, per the law, for them to kill and detain those who cross the legally recognized border but it is illegal to pursue them and kill them and especially obviously super duper illegal to indiscriminately carpet bomb highly populated areas, cut off water and food and medical supplies, etc.

Every single thing Israel has done since Oct 7 beyond killing the Hamas soldiers who were inside of Israel (as legally defined) has been a war crime varying from illegally killing militants in their (illegally) occupied territories of Gaza and West Bank all the way to bombing hospitals with no justification, starving civilians, bombing civilians, etc.

Even within the most purely liberalized, "international rule based law and order" scope of observation of the current conflict and even starting only on Oct 7, Israeli leadership, the IDF broadly, many of the civilian population, and media are all war criminals that should immediately be apprehended and put before the ICC to face justice. In addition, this includes foreign aiders and abetters to all of the above mentioned crimes which includes president Biden, VP Harris, the entirety of Congress (minus Tlaib (maybe a few others like Omar)), and any American media personalities who uncritically repeated Israeli lies without pushback or questions thus enabling the ethnic cleansing and genocide to continue. And also non-governmental persons and organizations such as the ADL (Greenblatt specifically), AIPAC (the entire thing), etc.

If there were any semblance of justice in this world all those directly implicated such as soldiers, their officers, and the entire Israeli government basically, would be hanged for the war crimes. The complicit leaders of the US and EU countries would face possible execution, but at the very least life in prison, no chance of parole ever. Complicit media figures would also face execution (the Nazi propagandist Julies Streicher (Der Stürmer) was hanged for his complicity in the Holocaust) or at the least life in prison. Others could receive appropriate sentencing relative to their involvement and complicity in crimes.

It's quite amazing to see liberals sitting around debating whatever dumb shit they talk about when it's all quite simple. War crimes were committed per the existing laws. Laws which, btw, the US and allies specifically made hard to violate for themselves and yet Israel managed to slam that bar into the fucking ground at every single step of the way.

This isn't even including the decades before Oct 7 and Israel's war crimes. Nor all the war crimes the US has committed and never faced a single bit of justice for.

(Also yes I'm of the "invasion of the Hague" act. Although it's quite literally insane to think the US would act on that, it also doesn't mean the US just gets away with war crimes forever. That's moronic. It also doesn't mean Israelis can't face prosecution since no such "law" exists there (maybe Bibi will push one through so he can be just like Daddy America))