• Kanna [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    It's honestly beyond words what's happening. I want to believe this will shift the support to Palestine, but I'm not so sure I should have that faith.

    • spectre [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Fortunately the winds are shifting in the American lib-left toward more explicit Palestine support. It's all idealism and won't do much to actually fix the issue, but going from 110% support of Israel on "both sides" to like 80-90% might be significant.

      Unfortunately when you have a government that's gridlocked by electoralism (by design), you can't ever actually do anything, so that status quo remains. The least painful way out (of so much of what's happening in the world) is the continued decar of the American empire (see you in 50-100 years lol)

      • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        MSNBC surprised me last night. Joy Reid was openly critical of Israel. Once the ads started - I realized it certainly was cosmetic. Anchors on that network are like pols. They like to get ahead of where they think the wind is blowing.

        I suspect Reid stole her tone from recent op-eds in places like the NYT where columnists posit the question: "Hey, maybe Israel shouldn't be slaughtering Palestinians every few years." But once a ceasefire is in place - MSNBC can go back to ignoring the Palestinians or saying the sort of stuff they always say: "There are extremists on both sides".

        Still - in previous Gaza-Israel wars MSNBC was 100% on the "Israel has a right to exist" train and even a minor deviation could get guests effectively blackballed and reporters (or god forbid anchors) in hot water.


        Edit

        MSNBC reporters have started to say stuff like "Some have called Gaza the 'the world's largest open air prison' ". I don't remember but now that I think about it - I think Reid, herself, used that too.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yup, the bar is underground, but I'd like to believe that we can someday get it to ankle height at least.

          • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            That was basically my thought as well. We're going to be stuck with the phrase "Israel has a right to exist" for years yet. But maybe after that only the crazies will use it.