The Pentagon has recently been releasing videos of UFOs and claiming that they are genuinely unexplained, and the mainstream media has become more open to talking about them. What do you think is going on? As far as I can figure, there are four possible explanations:

  • UFOs have always been fake and the government is just now getting in on faking these videos, perhaps to justify more military spending.
  • UFOs are some type of as-of-yet unexplained atmospheric phenomenon, like ball lightning.
  • Some military or company has developed new scientific theories and technology, in complete secrecy, capable of the kind of behavior seen in the videos.
  • Aliens are involved in some way.
  • Darthsenio_Mall [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Most of the shits are aerial probes from other governments testing the sensitivity of US instruments because the US military has ignored the risk of "low tech" spy technology for decades, they're now catching on and much of the "soft disclosure" is an attempt to dissolve the stigma tied to seeing something bizzare so pilots will be more willling to report things and the government can better understand how fucked it is.

    Inconveniently not everything makes sense in this context, for example the tic tac is clearly not a drone or balloon, there's a lot of data on it as well as witnesses, which leaves it up to either a crazy natural phenomenon or some extremely advanced tech that is very far beyond anything the public has seen.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      You say it is clearly not a drone or a balloon but it's not so clear to me. It assumes that what you are seeing is the actual shape of the craft and not some kind of clever cloaking/reflector technology.

      • Darthsenio_Mall [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        More than the actual video of it, I'm referring to the data about the object dropping 60k ft in a few seconds, moving from hovering to supersonic speeds without any visible exhaust, actively evading a pilot who had attempted to intercept it, all of which was recorded by various sensors of the Nimitz over the course of a week. And of course the many firsthand accounts by the pilots and crewmembers involved.

        What most don't realize is that the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group wasn't just equipped with some of the most advanced sensors the world had to offer, but that it also had hands-down the most advanced networking and computer processing capability of any such system. link

        To me it seems like either this very weird thing happened and was observed, or their fancy computer system was somehow on the fritz big time, despite all appearances to the contrary, and/or the people involved are all lying or equally and similarly mistaken about what they saw.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I don't think it was a mistake exactly. But it looks like either they got owned and are trying to save face by saying stuff like that, or their sensors got completely tricked. Alternatively, they're intentionally lying to obscure a program which the US military is testing.

          The person who wrote the article you cited also wrote this later on: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

          And something like this doesn't seem like a bad candidate for what it might be in the case they are lying to obscure something they are actually doing: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37868/the-army-wants-to-launch-drone-swarms-behind-enemy-lines-from-high-altitude-balloons

          • Darthsenio_Mall [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah could be definitely, I'm not saying I'm not open to that. The first article you linked is actually what I was very loosely paraphrasing in my original post, I couldn't find it again straight from google though. Even in this article he begrudgingly reserves a space for the tic tac: "Beyond the so-called 'Tic-Tac' video that just looked like a blurry little Tic Tac, I have seen nothing in any government 'UAP' videos that supposedly show unexplainable capabilities or craft that actually portray that. "

            That second article, that shit is pretty crazy, I haven't seen that. I can at least imagine how reflectors from multiple balloons tripping out their sensors could lead them to think it was one thing moving very fast, and maybe the couple pilots that saw it moving were just sensationalizing their accounts for fun or were instructed to lie. I am a humble layperson and not really into nat sec stuff, but I would think that sort of tech would fall under "advanced tech far beyond what the public has seen", if not now then definitely in 2004.

            • Pezevenk [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              There's some people who have made videos crunching the numbers and they say they're not moving particularly fast. Check these out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAfiJqUHDg0

              At this point, it may be that the military knows what's up, and is just acting like they don't to save face. But idk, who knows.