You are going to quickly arguing yourself into hopeless contradiction if you think this framing of intrinsic deserving as a variable feature and moralistic bullshit like that. Killing something yourself doesn't make it better or worse, this argument just appeals to you because you know many people wouldn't be able to. Wanting to make fewer people eat meat is cool and good, but vapid sophistry is not how you get there.
You are effectively murdering at least part of an animal by choosing to eat it. The average meat eater will kill several animals over the course of a year.
Living an unexamined life to prevent guilt about something you know you would feel is wrong so you can keep benefiting from that act being commited in your name is just as bad as doing the act itself but with the added element of cowardice and so is therefore worse.
I don't know man, there's a lot of people out there who couldn't stand killing an animal but eat meat and don't see any problem with it.
Like this doesn't gotcha people who hunt, because then the answer is "yup". Hell I know quite a few hunting meat eaters who think similarly on the basis of thinking factory farming is fucked up.
I feel like there's a point about how a lot of this is socialization of how food is procured. People in the US generally speaking don't eat bugs since it's a settler colonial state descended from Europe that doesn't really have edible insects. In SEA though you'll see much more insect consumption without a stigma because it's part of what you grow up with and there are a variety of edible insects. Similarly, someone living far to the north will likely be very comfortable with hunting. In an industrialized society we're very alienated from most of the production chains that go into our daily lives. We don't pick our fruit and vegetables, we don't toil on a farm, the food just sorta appears in a grocery store packaged for easy consumption which leads to people making videos where they'll swear off fruit after dunking a strawberry in brine and seeing worms come out.
I feel like there's a point about how a lot of this is socialization of how food is procured.
Consumed, rather, wouldn't it be? I agree with your comment, but the procurement doesn't even really play into it.
But other than that, yeah, even back when I ate meat I thought the "eww bugs" thing was dumb. C'mon man it's just different food. You can't hate on your boomer parents for refusing to try $local_large_immigrant_community_food because and then turn around and think eating bugs is disgusting
hunting is also somewhat necessary to keep a stable ecosystem in many places (granted it's also unstable because of human activities). If we need to shoot some deer or whatever every year I don't see a problem letting those who did it eat the corpses, meanwhile animal agriculture should just be abolished all together
Active hunter but the whole thing about population control is mostly just us jerking ourselves off.
What would be way more effective is not eliminating the habitat of natural predators or ranchers killing wolves for daring to have the audacity of eating a cow the farmer doesn't wanna bother fence in.
You are going to quickly arguing yourself into hopeless contradiction if you think this framing of intrinsic deserving as a variable feature and moralistic bullshit like that. Killing something yourself doesn't make it better or worse, this argument just appeals to you because you know many people wouldn't be able to. Wanting to make fewer people eat meat is cool and good, but vapid sophistry is not how you get there.
You are effectively murdering at least part of an animal by choosing to eat it. The average meat eater will kill several animals over the course of a year.
Living an unexamined life to prevent guilt about something you know you would feel is wrong so you can keep benefiting from that act being commited in your name is just as bad as doing the act itself but with the added element of cowardice and so is therefore worse.
I don't know man, there's a lot of people out there who couldn't stand killing an animal but eat meat and don't see any problem with it.
Like this doesn't gotcha people who hunt, because then the answer is "yup". Hell I know quite a few hunting meat eaters who think similarly on the basis of thinking factory farming is fucked up.
I feel like there's a point about how a lot of this is socialization of how food is procured. People in the US generally speaking don't eat bugs since it's a settler colonial state descended from Europe that doesn't really have edible insects. In SEA though you'll see much more insect consumption without a stigma because it's part of what you grow up with and there are a variety of edible insects. Similarly, someone living far to the north will likely be very comfortable with hunting. In an industrialized society we're very alienated from most of the production chains that go into our daily lives. We don't pick our fruit and vegetables, we don't toil on a farm, the food just sorta appears in a grocery store packaged for easy consumption which leads to people making videos where they'll swear off fruit after dunking a strawberry in brine and seeing worms come out.
Consumed, rather, wouldn't it be? I agree with your comment, but the procurement doesn't even really play into it.
But other than that, yeah, even back when I ate meat I thought the "eww bugs" thing was dumb. C'mon man it's just different food. You can't hate on your boomer parents for refusing to try $local_large_immigrant_community_food because and then turn around and think eating bugs is disgusting
hunting is also somewhat necessary to keep a stable ecosystem in many places (granted it's also unstable because of human activities). If we need to shoot some deer or whatever every year I don't see a problem letting those who did it eat the corpses, meanwhile animal agriculture should just be abolished all together
Active hunter but the whole thing about population control is mostly just us jerking ourselves off.
What would be way more effective is not eliminating the habitat of natural predators or ranchers killing wolves for daring to have the audacity of eating a cow the farmer doesn't wanna bother fence in.
Pretty useful data to track populati9ns though.
Strip out the moralistic nonsense. Here's an earnest question: would you eat meat if you had to kill it yourself?
No that sounds like a lot of work. But i wouldn't eat veggies if i had to harvest them all myself either. I would just die lmao
You can easily harvest a week's worth of veggies in an hour or less.
Good thing there's no other time requirements for veggies other than harvesting.
That was going ti be the secondary point, but still, if you know what you want you can get quite a lot out of it reasonably easily.
i think this is maybe slightly simplifying the game
The unfortunate thing is that it would probably still be doable for me if a butcher took it from there.