• sappho [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I read a few excerpts from a book in college that seems to cover the transition you're talking about. It's Fighting Traffic: The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City. I read the parts about corporations working to create the term jay-walking and establish it as a crime both legally and in public perception.

    • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Just as a note horses as transportation in cities didn't lead to clean air by any means.

      Many major cities has horse manure problems (along with problems of

      CW Animal abuse

      horses being murdered and left to rot in the street

      )

      There was a market for cars (or at the very least horse alternatives), but it should have been public transportation instead of individualized vehicles. That's where the real evil/shittyness comes from.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo&t=797s

      This one

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Check ClimateTown videos, I saw a video exactly about what you are asking

    • englesintheoutfield [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-I8GDklsN4&t=3s&ab_channel=PEACEREBEL

      My annual reminder for people to watch Taken for a Ride: The U.S. History of the Assault on Public Transport in the Last Century. Really good PBS doc about exactly what you're talking about.

    • SonKyousanJoui [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      cw: bloodbath caused by cars

      https://archive.is/22mfs

      Serious debate was held in courtrooms and in editorials over whether the automobile was inherently evil.

      After World War I, as accidents continued to soar, drivers were being labeled in newspapers as "remorseless murderers," their danger to public safety likened to an epidemic disease. In Detroit and other cities angry mobs were dragging reckless drivers out of cars.

  • Zoift [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    But muh single family dwellings! How will I live in an urban core without a 1/2 acre of yard?

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We have destroyed our environment to build sprawling plains of misery. :desolate:

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      No trees for you, only suburbia

  • Rem [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    And 75% of that area is roads and parking lots

  • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Increased precipitation from climate change will mean increased surface runoff, so non-source pollutants will contaminate drinking water sources at higher rates, meaning more money and time must be spent on water treatment and lower quality aquatic ecosystems.

    But this is only the second largest contributor of rising source water contamination.

    The single largest cause is development patterns and sprawl, such as in Atlanta. Bad land use policy (i.e. paving everything and growing lots of lawns) leads to really bad stormwater effects - worse source water, higher probability of flooding, more expensive water treatment, etc. This is in addition to the fact that said sprawl significantly increases the levels of non-source pollutants because of, for example, higher vehicle dependency; or that said sprawl tends to mean less tree cover and therefore higher temperatures, which in turn increase the severity of precipitation events. Too bad it's like, impossible to fix.

    • RedCoat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Do you really think they are gonna pay money to improve water treatment instead of just telling everyone to buy bottled water? Full Country Flint Michigan speedrun incoming.

      • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I think they'll improve water quality treatment up to a point - lots of places are using more activated carbon treatments as source water is degrading, for example - but after a certain point places will just import water like in parts of Mexico City. A lot of people observed the downsides of sprawl as it relates to transit, which is fair, so thought I'd add that it's also really bad for urban water systems.

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I've been in Barcelona and it looks really really nice.You'd expect it would have huge ugly towers from comparisons like that but that's not the case, it's neat, contained, and pretty, with a lot of somewhat eccentric but fun architecture. I think US cities are like that because they are mostly parking lots and sprawling suburbs.

    • Wojackhorseman2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Wanna go to Barcelona so bad :deeper-sadness: i want to eat my weight in tapas

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah it was great. Also La Sagrada Familia is the most impressive building I have been in, it's much more impressive than it looks from photos, especially inside.

        • RNAi [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          "bUt iTs a sTuPiD cHuRcH"

          Who fucking cares it's mad cool

          • Pezevenk [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Does anyone actually say that? Because yeah I believe churches are pretty stupid but I also believe that church is mad cool lol

            Well not just THAT one church, many churches are very cool buildings.

      • btbt [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Barcelona has the best food of any city I’ve ever been to

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      The "International Style" and its consequences has been a disaster for mankind

    • Zoift [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It turns out when you build a city up out of suburban sprawl & redlining, and then the city grows out into the surrounding cities and functionally becomes one city, but is unable to function like a single city because of suburban sprawl and racism, it's really bad for building cohesive rail networks.

      • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        when you ban building sidewalks bc black people might walk on them so you die of heart disease at age 50

        just pink people things

    • Hotspur21 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      MARTA fuckin sucks. It basically just makes a a plus sign across the city

  • englesintheoutfield [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    If you wanna get urban blackpilled check out this map of metro Atlanta's streetcar network from 1940: https://i.redd.it/0dp9u5lth2931.png

    This is what they took away from us so they could build six lane highways with bus stops on either side with no crosswalks inbetween. The sprawl also exacerbates the urban heat island effect which causes area's near/on concrete and impermeable surfaces to be up to 12 degrees F hotter than surroudning areas. What's even more fucked is that formerly redlined neighborhoods are far more likely to be located in urban heat islands. Greenspace is a commodity sold as being public, sustainable, climate-friendly, etc, but is used as an investment vehicle and amenity to the upper classes. This is adding to many of Atlanta's existing segregation issues. In my Atlanta zip code the northern area is far wealthier and whiter than the southern area, which is predominately low-income and black (but rapidly gentrifying). Just within this zip code there is a life expectancy gap of 12 years between these two areas.

    I've lived in Atlanta most of my life and it is an incredible, beautiful city in spite of its history of autocentric, suburban-centric racism and capitalism. Unfortunately because of that it's also a case study of how shitty urban planning is literal violence on the people who can't afford to access basic services (transportation, grocery stores, greenspaces, clean air and water, jobs, walkability, safety, etc) . The politicians and paper-pushers who facilitate this have far more death and misery on their hands than any serial killers. they'd be in the gulags if there was any justice.

      • disco [any]
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        4 years ago

        Your comment encouraged me to do some further research, and hoooo boy you weren’t wrong. I’ll be editing my original post.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Weird thing to have such good takes and yet be a shithead.

      • disco [any]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, right?

        I was following him for weeks before I realized that he was probably completely insane.

  • PeludoPorFavor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    i lived in BCN for a while so I'm biased, but it truly is an amazing place.

    the biggest problem in terms of urbanism is definitely speculation though. airbnb destroyed that city....

    • btbt [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Didn’t Colau partially ban AirBnB

      • PeludoPorFavor [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        eh sorta. depends on who you ask lol

        there is a formal decree pending, but its all sorta hush hush.